AggroCast — TV Potpourri [Episode Fourteen]

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Raymond Bruels: Hi, welcome to the Agrocast. This is Ray Brules and…

David Hades Becker: David Hades Becker.

RB: And we are back. This is after our great adventure at Horror Vibes Coffee. We’re going to talk about TV shows today.

DHB: I know we teased a little bit last time where we talked a couple of things.

RB: We talked about a lot of stuff last time.

DHB: Well, last time it was more of a catch-up, trying to get back into the swing of things, but we teased like a couple of TV shows like Twisted Metal, Last of Us, stuff like that.

RB: Well, and this will tie directly into possibly things we’ll see at San Diego Comic-Con this year.

DHB: Oh, easily, yeah.

RB: For instance, you were talking about Rick and Morty.

DHB: Oh yeah, I was talking about Rick and Morty because I got to talk to the voice actors lots of at the IGN thing I did a couple of weeks ago. And they’re just pushing the new season. I know people are kind of dragging on it because it doesn’t feel the same without Justin Roiland and all that stuff. And keeping the humor alive, I’ve enjoyed the season so far, even though there’s nothing crazy to talk about, like the Pickle Rick thing that became a meme or Szechuan sauce or anything like that. I’ve still enjoyed it all. And it’s kept its nice little formula of each episode is kind of contained with a meta-narrative going over the entire.

RB: I was just commenting earlier today to Juliet about how I was going to get a Mr. Meeseeks tattoo. Because I did something to my back this previous weekend, and so my life has been pain. And so I was like, I think that would be perfect to just have a Mr. Meeseeks tattoo.

DHB: Well, so you got to get into a place where you could have a button, and then you can flex or move an arm, and then Mr. Meeseeks shows up?

RB: That would be great. But yeah, Rick and Morty reminds me of the Animayhem stuff that we saw that year.

DHB: Yeah, that was when, was it the Fox Network pushed out like everything from like Family Guy, Bob’s Burgers, Krapopolis, Hit Monkey, all that stuff.

RB: Solar Opposites.

DHB: Solar Opposites, yeah. That was an amazing little walkthrough. And I think it introduced people, like I don’t think you guys, you and Juliet, ever seen Krapopolis until we got to the end. And I’ve seen all like the second season just ends to that. And it’s so good.

RB: It was our first exposure to that. We got pulled into Solar Opposites because of you. And for us, the storyline that really was the best were the people on The Wall.

DHB: The Wall, I love The Wall.

RB: And I’m just like, can we just have more of the people on The Wall and their story?

DHB: They used to have like a movie of just that. But I guess at the same time, Solar Opposites does have like one or two episodes every season where it’s just The Wall.

RB: Yeah, and you get to catch up on what’s going on. I have been really happy with some of the TV things that we’ve been exposed to with San Diego Comic-Con because I hadn’t thought to engage with some of those IPs. Like even they had that Rome TV show that we did, the Chariot Races.

DHB: The Chariot Races, yeah.

RB: We watched that for three or four episodes and it was okay. It wasn’t as Spartacus, but it’s still entertaining.

DHB: Okay, well, I think it was the same year they did the Chucky thing.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: I remember you got, like I was really into the Chucky show. And I think you got into it after that.

RB: Love the Chucky show. And then like, because of San Diego Comic-Con. And this is suddenly becoming a San Diego Comic-Con.

DHB: Yeah, right, exactly. We’re just going to dovetail into it because they covered so much there.

RB: But like the Interview with a Vampire walkthrough was so amazing.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Getting to interact with not only Interview with a Vampire, but the Mayfair Witches. And how they had the gals out there where they were giving people out little things.

DHB: I think I still have my little bag of mint they gave me or whatever as a ward off against something.

RB: Yeah. But also talking about television shows, like Juliet and I have been keeping up with Welcome to Wrexham.

DHB: Okay.

RB: Because we loved that doc series.

DHB: And you guys also went out there.

RB: Yeah, when we got married, we went out to England because her dad is from Liverpool. And while we were out there, we took the train out to Wrexham. And so we got to walk around and see a lot of the sites that you see in the show. So that was really nice to be able to have that experience. We bought scarves because that’s the great football way. Soccer for Americans.

DHB: But did you guys get any fights with the hooligans or anything like that?

RB: No, but we did go to the place where they often get pints. And it was fun. And people were there. And we got to see the owner who is often showing up in the show, just walking around doing his thing. But we did also walk around the town. And there was at one point we stopped at, they had a gaming store, because of course.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And we stopped in and we said hello to the owner. And we asked them, what’s it like with Rob and Ryan having bought the football team and all of the attention that has been pushed on to Wrexham? And he was like, yeah, there’s some folks that complain. They have done some good things for the town. But overall, people are just kind of embracing the experience for as long as it lasts. Because there’s always the question, at what point are they going to sell it off?

DHB: Yeah, exactly. How long does this last? How long am I going to be able to live in this limelight and get this little extra bonus of the guarantee has to raise the tourism and all sorts of other little things just around all that.

RB: Well, and that’s one of the things that I’ve loved about in the show. It shows how Ryan and Rob are investing in the town, not just the football club. Also, one of the things that I thought was really interesting with this last season of Welcome to Wrexham, Tom Brady evidently has gotten involved with a football club. And so there’s some conflict between Rob and Ryan and Tom Brady and the billionaire or whoever it is that is his partner who bought into a team. Because now celebrities are looking at European football.

DHB: Well it’s the next thing to buy?

RB: Yeah, you run out of things to buy, I guess. And so you buy football teams.

DHB: Yeah, well, you either do that or you buy your own little movie studio and do your own thing like they’re doing out here with Mark Wahlberg and Nic Cage and all that stuff.

RB: We’ll have to see what happens with Summerlin. But yeah, in terms of TV shows, we’ve watched a lot of TV.

DHB: Well, to keep working on that, The Studio has been another big one that I’ve enjoyed. I mean, I’m also technically in episode nine, so I’ve got to disclose that. But that’s the new one with Seth Rogen and Katherine Hahn, a bunch of great guest stars also about him being the runner of a movie studio.

RB: The number of cameos in that show.

DHB: It goes nonstop.

RB: So you brought it up when we went to Horror Vibes.

DHB: Yes.

RB: And then I came home and Juliet and I were like, what the hell are we going to watch? And so we started it up. And we got like five episodes in. And I was literally yelling at the screen because Seth Rogen’s character, I just want to fucking shut him up. Oh, my God.

DHB: Well, he wants to make movies. He wants to be an auteur. He wants to do it. He’s a money guy now. Which is why it’s funny, the other Katherine, the one from Beetlejuice, blanking on her name.

RB: Oh, yeah.

DHB: The older one who got put down to producer. She’s like, oh, I love this now because now I can actually do stuff instead of having to worry about money all the time.

RB: Well, and Bryan Cranston, he’s like, yes, I’m going to put you in charge. We’re going to make a movie that makes a billion dollars.

DHB: About Kool-Aid.

RB: And then all of the trials and tribulations of trying to create a movie about Kool-Aid.

DHB: And it wasn’t Martin Scorsese where he’s like, yeah, I want to do one about Jonestown. He’s like, oh, wait…

RB: isn’t that about how they drank the Kool-Aid, the poison Kool-Aid?

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And having to backtrack on all of that. Yeah. We don’t want to do too many spoilers for those who haven’t watched it.

DHB: That’s episode one. So.

RB: But then even like the Olivia Wilde episode.

DHB: Oh, yeah.

RB: And the fact that it had the noir kind of vibe, detective vibe.

DHB: Yeah, the whodunit type thing.

RB: And I’m like, wait, this is not realistic. A studio head would not be running around trying to solve a crime.

DHB: And that’s the funny thing is everything I’ve seen like in interviews with Seth Rogen, and then even people I’ve seen online, a lot of these are based on real stories, like maybe not word for word, but things that have actually happened in Hollywood while they’re trying to film a movie or a TV show. And when you watch the show, some of the stuff gets crazy.

RB: Gets really crazy.

DHB: Because like another one they do is, it’s near the end of it. It’s not a huge spoiler. They go to CinemaCon, which happens out here. And some of the stuff they show are like, I’ve been on the strip with CinemaCon here. I’m like, that happens. Even though it’s like, yeah, they’re actors overblowing it. But no, I’ve seen some of that weird stuff happen down here.

RB: I’m going to have to try to finish it, even though I’ll be fucking gnashing my teeth. That’s all of the shit that Seth Rogen, if I ever meet this guy, I’m going to have to thank him. Because his acting is so, it’s not just over the top, but it’s also, it’s so engaging. I get so wrapped up into the character. And how I just want to shut this character up.

DHB: You just want to grab him and be like, okay, stop. You’re the money guy. Sit here. Let people do their thing.

RB: Yeah, especially when they didn’t get the shot. But I’m glad that you pointed that out. Because yeah, we had started watching on Apple Plus, Murder Robot.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Which, oh my goodness. I was originally introduced, a friend of mine said, are you going to watch this? And I’m like, what the hell are you talking about? And it’s based off of a book.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: But I had never seen the previews for it. And then it popped up on Apple Plus.

DHB: I think the closest I came to knowing anything about, like I didn’t know Alexander Skarsgård was in it.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: Like the only one I knew was the guy who played Polka Dot Man. I’m blanking on his name as well.

RB: Yep.

DHB: Like I saw him doing an interview and I was like, I like everything he’s done. Like all the horror movies and everything he’s done. Like, I’ll give this a shot. I’ve only seen one episode so far. And I was like, holy crap, this is a stacked cast. And I was like…

RB: Yeah, it’s got a great cast. And I just love Skarsgård’s performance.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And his internal monologue. And even like some of the quirky nuance to the character is really touching. It resonates for me.

DHB: Fair. I mean, that’s what it’s supposed to do. It’s supposed to invoke an emotion.

RB: Well, especially when it invokes an emotion, even though the main character is a robot.

DHB: Yeah, exactly. It’s like, this shouldn’t be happening, but it is.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: So weird.

RB: And he even has his soap opera that he watches.

DHB: Yeah. He just stands there watching it blankly to nothing.

RB: Later on, it becomes an issue because you’ve got a free up computer space.

DHB: Yeah, exactly. You can only still store so much in your media server.

RB: So then it makes you wonder, what did you lose?

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And so that actually comes up during one of the episodes. So wonderful show. Definitely recommend it. What else have you been watching?

DHB: Let’s see what else I’ve been watching. I’m fully caught up on Ghosts. The American Ghosts, not the English Ghosts.

RB: I still need to catch up. I’m like maybe two or three episodes behind.

DHB: It feels like they’re hitting a little more of a formulaic thing. They definitely have the meta story they’re talking about, where I think the latest season, the husband finally got his restaurant. They introduced some new ghosts and all that. But each episode kind of feels disjointed.

RB: Yeah. There’s been a real weird vibe with this last season.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And even as they start to engage with more of the ghosts’ backstories, and even one of them getting to learn what her power was, because each of the ghosts have a power.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: The problem I’ve had with ghosts is that disjointedness. And it’s starting… And I don’t want to say it’s boring me, but it’s just not as engaging as it had been at first.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: I’m glad that I dove into it because I hadn’t seen it. We went to the San Diego Comic-Con offsite.

DHB: Yeah, the weird offsite at the Paramount thing.

RB: And they did all of the scents. And I didn’t understand what that meant.

DHB: For anybody who’s seen Ghosts, I was freaking out about getting Isaac’s smell. Nobody else there knew what it was until they brought it out.

RB: Yeah. And they brought it out and it’s like, Who?

DHB: And it was hysterical. But I think I was one of the two people that knew the show.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: Even though they’ve been trying to… Because it’s still a small show and it’s hitting the end of season four now.

RB: Well, we have the American version and the British version. And I think they’re starting a French version or something.

DHB: Yeah, I’ve seen that.

RB: And it’s like, okay, I would love to watch the British version just to see how they convert some of the characters to a more British spin.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: But overall, I’m very glad that I watched the series to the point that I have.

DHB: Well, if you want to get more interesting, I was re-watching What We Do In The Shadows TV show. And the guy who plays the camp counselor Ghost is playing a similar character on the city council in one of those episodes. Now I’m doing a crossover in my head because it’s all in New York as well.

RB: I am sad that that show is over.

DHB: I’m sad, but I’m also glad the way they ended that.

RB: Oh, yeah. The end of that show was amazing.

DHB: Yeah. Even with the Choose Your Own Event, which one is the actual ending?

RB: Well, and I didn’t know that that was a thing until after we had watched the last episode.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And then somewhere it was pointed out, like on YouTube or something, and we’re like, wait, what?

DHB: Well, because they do like a little teaser in the show where out of nowhere, there’s like a weird thing between Nandor and Guillermo. And then they make it seem like a dream. I think that was supposed to tease one of the other endings. Like it was supposed to be the Newhart Show ending, but they just woke up.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: But then they have like six other ones that they filmed and only released on YouTube, which is probably going to be on the Blu-ray or whatever. Or if they do a cast get-together, you know, some convention, be like, okay, now let’s go through them all. Yeah.

RB: I wonder what shows are going to kind of take the spot of shows like that, because it became such a big thing in the zeitgeist. I just, I don’t know what’s going to be able to capture people’s imagination.

DHB: Well, at the same time, I don’t, yeah, exactly. It feels like a crapshoot with almost everything. Because like Twisted Metal is another one. I did not expect that show to be as good as it was. I expected it to be pitter-out, but now it’s getting season two. So it’s like almost like throwing darts.

RB: But it’s got a pretty good cast.

DHB: It does.

RB: And I was not sure if Anthony Mackie could carry, because yes, Anthony Mackie is the lead. I didn’t know if he could carry that show, but he’s done a great job.

DHB: It comes down, like we mentioned before, it’s like some actors, they get pigeonholed because they have to play up to other people. And I think that’s the issue with Anthony Mackie is he had to play up to Robert Downey Jr. for so fucking long. People are just like, okay, we can’t see him doing anything. Now it’s like, here, go. Because even when they did the Falcon and the Winter Soldier, I didn’t think he could carry it all that well. But at the same time, he’s playing against a bunch of other people that weren’t even in the show.

RB: Yeah. And he’s got a great cameo in The Studio.

DHB: Yes, I love his cameo in The Studio.

RB: To roll it back to The Studio.

DHB: Yeah, the original topic. Who doesn’t have a cameo in The Studio? Oh, you haven’t gotten all the way through. So there’s cameos you haven’t seen that are just amazing.

RB: And it’s funny because they just come out of nowhere.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Like, for instance, one of the episodes had Ron Howard. And I’m like, they’re not going to have Ron Howard on the show. And lo and behold, there was Ron Howard. I was like, holy shit, this is amazing.

DHB: I’m trying to remember the name of the director where they were telling him he had to rip off his own. The guy who did, I think it was Smile. And there’s the whole thing where he’s like, yeah, so I’m ripping off my own movie. Like, yeah, are you okay with that? He’s like, sure, just throw money at me.

RB: Now we want you to make a show called Frown.

DHB: Yeah. It was something stupid like that too. It was like, you know, this is the exact same premise. I was like, okay. But it’s like weird cameos like that that keep popping up.

RB: I can’t wait to see how that, especially how the first season ends out.

DHB: I know The Studio got greenlit for a second season, which they didn’t think because they got yelled at by so many studio execs. They’re like, you’re letting everybody see how the sausage is made.

RB: But that’s where the fun is. It’s like when watching Mythic Quest.

DHB: Right, exactly.

RB: Or what was it, Silicon Valley?

DHB: Oh, Silicon Valley, okay.

RB: Yeah. That show, really, like anybody who’s worked in tech, especially with startups, it was nothing but.

DHB: Well, I hadn’t watched Silicon Valley up until like recently. It was because Jana, one of the other writers and photographers, pointed that out. She does a lot of startup work and has done that forever. She’s like, you’ll appreciate this on the tech side of things. I watched that and I binged that whole show so fast. This is exactly how it feels.

RB: Yep. Yeah, because those are the two shows anytime we talk to people in tech. Silicon Valley and Mythic Quest. Because Mythic Quest, though it doesn’t do a lot of the technical stuff, a lot of the studio stuff.

DHB: Well, and that’s the surprising thing for me is Ubisoft lets them film in their offices and gives them all the assets. You realize they’re making fun of you at the same time and your horrible practices you do, but they still greenlit it. And I’m like, go ahead, buy all power.

RB: Yeah, makes you wonder how they pulled that off.

DHB: Well, season one, I know they didn’t do it as much, but it was like season two, you could tell. They’re definitely saying some things in the video game industry to be like, shine some lights here because people aren’t paying attention.

RB: Well, especially the monetization.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: When they started diving into some of that. Wow, that’s really pointed.

DHB: Yes, exactly. Or was it the last season when they started talking about AI and blockchain and all that? Ubisoft was one of the ones who got in trouble for doing blockchain.

RB: Well, and a lot of companies had looked at tokenization that could be used in the games. We were talking about TV shows.

DHB: Well, I mean, nonetheless this is a TV show. It just also happens to dovetail in the video games. But I guess also, because we’ve talked a lot about the guy from Wrexham, and now, was it Always Sunny is coming back?

RB: Yeah, isn’t it their last season?

DHB: I don’t think it’s their last season. I think they’re doing another after this.

RB: Oh, wow.

DHB: I mean, every season is their last season as they did it. So another one, I fell down the rabbit hole. Abbott Elementary. Because I heard they were doing a crossover with Always Sunny. I was like, all right, let’s see what this is. And we’ve seen it on a Comic-Con multiple. They had a huge carnival. And I’m like, what the hell is this every time? After watching it, I want to go to the carnival next year because it looks so cool. And for those who don’t know, Abbott Elementary is about an elementary school in Philadelphia. And it’s like the weird trials and tribulations of the smaller school who doesn’t get the budget and how the teachers have to work around that, how the principal. But it’s also done as a comedy to keep it engaging, even though it delves into some of that dark humor. And then because it’s in Philly, there’s an episode. And it’s supposed to happen in the new season of Always Sunny. For community service, that crew has to show up at the elementary school and work. And now I’m trying to figure out how they’re going to work that into the actual show itself.

RB: That’s awesome.

DHB: Because there’s nothing better than watching Danny DeVito show up with bags of raccoon piss to try to help the school out. I’ll leave it at that. You can watch the episode to find out the rest.

RB: OK, I might have to dive into that show.

DHB: Yeah, both of those are amazing shows. And both of them have new seasons coming out here soon.

RB: What else have I… I’m trying to think what else I have watched.

DHB: Oh, I know we mentioned The Last of Us we spoke about.

RB: Oh, yeah.

DHB: We dabbled around that.

RB: I did not finish this season. I don’t know how it ends. I know that they’ve talked about next season following a different character.

DHB: So they have two more seasons. And they made the official announcement that they’re going to be following the Abby character. But that’s similar to the video game. Like when you’re playing the video game, you kind of swap back and forth. But the only time they did that in the second season was they did the intro. So you can get to know the character that you’re supposed to hate. And then you followed Ellie’s story. And then now you get to go the exact same three days following the Abby story and seeing how Ellie’s fucked them all over at the same time.

RB: As much as I enjoyed up to a point with that show. And then, of course, we’ve talked about Twisted Metal. It makes me wonder what other video games they might turn into shows.

DHB: So God of War has been greenlit as a TV show. And I’m so ready for that. The BioShock has been hit up. It’s either a movie or a TV show. Really hoping they do a TV show because they could easily do three seasons of that. Devil May Cry is another one. But I think they did the anime. And I think they’re going to keep doing the anime. I think they learned their lessons from the 90s on how to not do video game adaptations.

RB: Oh, gosh. Like those terrible Uwe Boll movies?

DHB: Oh, yeah. I mean, I’ve only…

RB: Blood Rain!

DHB: To this day, I’ve only ever walked out of one movie. And that was House of the Dead. And because it was that bad. But at the same time, I was like, I didn’t think his Postal movie was all that terrible. But again, you really have to like the video game Postal.

RB: I wonder in terms of fantasy stuff. Because they just canceled Wheel Of Time.

DHB: Yes.

RB: And…

DHB: The last season was Good Omens, I think. Which is kind of fantasy adjacent.

RB: Yeah. But because of some of the stuff that happened with the writer.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: They’re trying to abbreviate to finish it out for folks. The same with Sandman.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Sandman on Netflix.

DHB: Yeah. I think it’s only getting one more season and that’s it.

RB: That had a lot of promise. They also had had an audio book, which I remember seeing advertised at San Diego Comic-Con. And I had picked it up and it was a radio drama. So they had different people playing the roles. And it was awesome. Now that he’s been canceled.

DHB: Yeah. That whole IP is kind of fizzled out.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: Are they doing… I know they’re doing more Game of Thrones stuff.

RB: Yep.

DHB: I thought they were doing another bit for Lord of the Rings. Which I feel that’s an IP that’s been beaten to death. But if they can…

RB: Well, because they did the War of the Rohirrim, which was that anime-esque thing.

DHB: But they also had the two seasons of the live action thing on Amazon.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: The Rings of Power.

RB: The Rings of Power. Yeah. Which I don’t… Did that get canceled?

DHB: I don’t know if it got… I know it had two seasons. I don’t know if they got another one. I know it won awards for being pretty.

RB: Well, and we… Again, that was another one we saw advertised all over San Diego Comic-Con. They even had like handout magazines because we were… I was stoked about it because I love Lord of the Rings. But then watching the show, there were a lot of things that just didn’t quite capture me. Then the quality just kind of kept going down.

DHB: I think there was a rumor at one point of them doing a D&D TV show.

RB: Yes. There has been talk about that. I think that’s actually going to be on Netflix.

DHB: Okay.

RB:People have been conjecturing like, is Dritz going to show up on the D&D show? Which is really sad. A brief aside about the D&D movie. I…

DHB: Which one?

RB: The newest one.

DHB: Okay.

RB: I love the D&D movie.

DHB: I love the D&D movie, but I also went in thinking it was going to be somebody sat down, watched some people play a campaign, and then made that a movie. Whereas the other D&D movies, they try to go hard into the lore. I’m like, no, no, no. That’s what they did in the Honor Amongst Thieves one. That’s what they should do is just let people use the world. Yeah, we’ll nod to things here and there, but let people make their own stories in it.

RB: They tried to introduce Harper’s, so people who had never…

DHB: I’d never heard of Harper’s before that.

RB: And the Red Wizards of Thay.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: The thing that I thought was really entertaining, as we tangent about this movie for a moment, there was the paladin NPC that they had to go and get the helm from. And how that character, there’s a point where he says goodbye, he walks away, and they’re like, oh, is he going to just… is he going around the rock? Nope, he’s going right over.

DHB: He’s just going right over there.

RB: And that is just like an NPC.

DHB: Yeah, exactly.

RB: The performance, I don’t know if it was intentional. I haven’t watched any of the interviews, but he played that character like a perfect NPC.

DHB: Yeah, and that’s why I went into that movie thinking, just let people run a D&D game and call it a day, and just make that… throw the budget out, and that’s what they should do for the TV show.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: Just not try to follow any of the books or any of the lore, because when you do that, you run into the issue of people, the hardcore fans. This isn’t exactly how I imagined it in my head. This isn’t right.

RB: Yeah, well, you’re going to get… but yeah, the diehard purists are always going to be an issue, no matter what you do with an IP. But then, like, I went… the other day I couldn’t sleep, so I went down the rabbit hole of catching up with all of Ari Salvatore’s Forgotten Realms books.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And I know there’s a new book coming out that’s going to be following Dritz’s daughter, Breezy.

DHB: Okay.

RB: And so it’s kind of a passing of the torch. You’re going to have that issue with any IP and the purists who are going to hate on it, which I wondered if that happened with the D&D…

DHB: I know, I mean, I remember seeing the D&D movie, people being upset, like, that still doesn’t work this way. And I’m like, but it worked well in the movie. It helped tell the story. And at the end of the day, that’s what D&D is about, is storytelling, not following rules as written.

RB: But going back full circle, yeah, so there’s supposed to be the Forgotten Realms, I think it’s a Forgotten Realms TV show.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: A lot of people have talked about, since they did the House of the Dragon and we’ve seen dragons on screen, they could try to do a Dragonlance.

DHB: I could see that.

RB: And there’s a lot of folks that love Dragonlance, but there’s also a lot of fans, not fans, a lot of folks that have been exposed to it that are not fans of that IP, unfortunately. And I think we could go into that later because that’s more game related.

DHB: Well, I mean, we could still stay on the game related and still go into another one that fans are going to lose their crap over if it’s not done correctly, Warhammer. Even though it’s being helmed by people who know it.

RB: Yep, that’s the Amazon show.

DHB: The Amazon show with Henry Cavill and all that stuff. But at the same time, that has a lot of lore.

RB: Yes, there is so much lore. I spent months talking about the lore for Warhammer. And you know what’s interesting? Because Henry Cavill is like the darling because allegedly he’s a massive nerd.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: I say allegedly because there have been some people that have doubted his nerd cred when it comes to Warhammer.

DHB: Yeah, well, it came in the other guy who played Alcide in Trueblood. There’s a werewolf guy. Even though one year we were at Comic-Con, he’s like, hey, I came out with a dice set for D&D. Who wants to come by? I was like, okay, yeah, he’s kind of got his cred.

RB: Yeah, well, there were some outtakes of interviews with Henry Cavill and the guy that played Jaxxor from Witcher.

DHB: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

RB: And they were talking about Warhammer 40K. And like, what army are you? I’m going to do Necron. So yeah, there are fans that are like, but when’s he ever played? Like, who’s he playing?

DHB: Yeah, exactly. He’s just doing photo ops and all that stuff. But at the same time, it’s like, even if he hasn’t played, I think helming a TV show, as long as he understands the world and the lore, especially with how much he can drive from, it feels like he can make a TV show or the whole team can make a TV show.

RB: Well, and what we heard about Witcher and how he was such a fan of that franchise.

DHB: Yeah, which is why he didn’t do the last season because he completely butchered it.

RB: Well, because they kept, I want to do my own story and drifting away from the original source material. If he is that much of a stickler for the lore because he’s that much of a fan, I love the idea of him doing… because of how big Warhammer is and how many stories there are, that could be a whole huge franchise of different stories, which they’ve done some of that with the Warhammer Plus. They’ve got their own little network that you can sign up for. And I’ve watched some of the episodes through the app and they’ve done great animated storytelling, but to see it translated to a live action show, I don’t know, it’s going to be interesting.

DHB: It’ll be interesting, but I have a feeling it’s set in good hands. So, I mean, it’s Amazon throwing money at it as well. So we know it’s going to look pretty at the very least.

RB: And I don’t think they’ve actually come out and said what the storyline that they’re settling on is. And given that they have so many different ones that they could draw from.

DHB: I hope they don’t. I hope they don’t tell everybody what storyline they got because it’s going to set expectations. I don’t know. As somebody who’s not even hugely versed in Warhammer, I want to walk in completely blind and just fall in love.

RB: But you know, marketers can’t do that. They’ve got to give it away before we even see it.

DHB: I know. That’s part of the problem. When I could watch a TV show and know who the villain is from the beginning, I’m like, so one of my workout shows I’ve been watching is a weird TV show called Slasher.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: And it’s like there’s each season has like seven or eight episodes and it plays out like a horror movie. Every season so far, I’m like episode one, that’s the killer because it’s so formulaic. Even though it’s like all of our, the first one was just random slasher that followed like the seven deadly sins. The next season was, oh no, we accidentally killed somebody and buried their body at summer camp. I’m like, oh no, who’s going to be the killer this time?

RB: Playing off the old tropes.

DHB: Yeah. And then having every character and actor play up those tropes. I hate that. I’d rather just be like, surprise me. Like I guess even going circle again, Twisted Metal, that’s why I was so surprised. Like watching all of the trailers, I expected Sweet Tooth to be like the main star of it all. I’m like, he’s a secondary character and he’s still a good secondary character.

RB: He was an awesome secondary.

DHB: Yeah, exactly. But it’s like, I didn’t need to see a show about him.

RB: Well, I don’t know if that character could carry a show. That’s actually…

DHB: Not the way they wrote him.

RB: Well, and that’s one of the things that recently came out. The guy that played Boba Fett.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: In The Book of Boba Fett. He’s sad that there isn’t a second season to that.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: It’s like, well, I love the actor. He’s done amazing work. But the character of Boba Fett. All right, look, I’m a Boba Fett fan. But Boba Fett only had like what, five minutes or something in the original trilogy?

DHB: Three lines. Like, yeah, like five minutes total screen time.

RB: And so the fans are the ones who really created all of the hype behind this character. But then you take that mystery and you drop it into a show where an actor’s got to portray that character with the helmet off. And it just, I didn’t, I felt like it was a disservice to the character as well as to the actor. As much as I liked some of the elements of that show and even some of the dive into the…

DHB: Like the crime syndicate stuff?

RB: The crime syndicate stuff. Because I was always a Black Sun fan.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And even the sand people and some of the culture that he kind of stumbles into with that was interesting.

DHB: It didn’t even get told through his story.

RB: No.

DHB: Because I think the mystery of that, and that’s why some people don’t need to have full backstories. Sometimes fans come up with better backstories than a writer can ever do. Yeah.

RB: Well, and then The Book of Boba Fett introduced us to some characters that I loved them. I didn’t like where they were set. The Scooter kids.

DHB: The Scooter kids, yeah.

RB: They were awesome. But I would much rather have seen them in like Boriscont or…

DHB: It was in the one that Obi-Wan was set in. That would have been better for that futuristic city that was set in, not random desert planet in the middle of nowhere.

RB: Yeah. They were amazing characters. And hell, I would be happy with a show around them.

DHB: Oh, right.

RB: Yeah. Just the setting and putting them into the Book of Boba Fett just felt weird for me.

DHB: Yeah. But it’s like we needed somebody to drive the story in a certain direction. So we’re just going to grab whatever we can. And unfortunately, they became fan favorites. It helped that they had Sophie Thatcher at the front of it as well.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: She was having a high time. So it was like she had Yellow Jackets, which I think season three just ended. And I don’t know if they had a season four. And then she had a bunch of other movies. You put something like that right there at the front end, obviously they’re going to blow up.

RB: And that often happens with some of those shows. You get fan favorite characters. And for instance, like we talked about, Boba Fett.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Fan favorite character that blew up into something more. But now we’ve got a, we’ve got a second season of Ahsoka, and we’re gonna have the Thrawn movie, and there’s gonna be other elements from those things that, that start coming into play.

DHB: Yeah. They’re trying to do the MCU thing, when not everything has to be a full shared connected universe, you can do one-offs here and there.

RB: Well, and Disney is, I, I feel like Disney is having to reevaluate what they’re, they’ve been doing.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And pulling back, because it didn’t all work.

DHB: Even, uh, speaking of Disney, it’s like even, I, I didn’t even know Ironheart was coming out.

RB: Ironheart.

DHB: They’ve held back on that so much.

RB: We have been waiting for Ironheart for what I feel like is years.

DHB: Yeah, it was about four years since they announced it.

RB: And then they introduced Ironheart in the…

DHB: Black Panther II.

RB: …Black Panther II, and then they had, uh, Ironheart show up in the animated What If…?

DHB: Yeah, the What If… and then I think there was like one little spinoff somewhere else where they had, just had the actress show up, and that was it, and it was like, “Okay, character’s, character exists, just to let everybody know.“

RB: But it, but it makes me wonder why they delayed. I’ve been waiting for that show because I loved the Red Hood.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And I’ve been waiting to see the Red Hood in live action.

DHB: Well, not only, not only that, having, having the Red Hood show up means that they can dive into some of the other… I’m a fan of the, you know, bringing in Mephisto, and all the, the, you know, evil stuff on the Ghost Rider side of stuff…. bring back Nick Cage, bring back Nick Cage.

RB: Yeah. ’Cause, ’cause they talked about doing, uh, another Ghost-, uh, Ghost Rider, but they’re gonna recast it.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Which I feel is sad to me in some ways, because I also liked the Ghost Rider that they had in Agents of S…

DHB: In Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., yeah.

RB: It was the different character of Ghost Rider.

DHB: Yeah, it was the Robbie Reyes instead of the Johnny Blaze.

RB: Yeah. Well, and then, and then there’s been talk with them h- restarting the Daredevil Reborn, and all of the…

DHB: That one’s already got a second season.

RB: …and the, the Netflix shows, and how they, they canonize those.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: There’s been a lot of wondering, are they gonna canonize in some way the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.?

DHB: Well, I, I figured they already did that. ’Cause if you watch, uh, was it season two or three, the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. are cleaning up the fight after the first Thor movie.

RB: Well, but that was the problem. So…

DHB: Well, it was like the, the TV shows could reference the movies, but the movies never referenced the shows.

RB: And, and that’s why, ultimately, they diverged.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And, ’cause, well, even with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season one, allegedly, Joss hated the fact that they brought Coulson back to life.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Because he felt his sacrifice was important to galvanize the team. But yeah, so they, they, up ’til like season three, they kind of ran with the movies, and then they had to diverge because the movies were taking too long, the TV show, and so…

DHB: Yeah. But again, at the same time, you could see where, you know, they were going down their own alternate timeline path at that point, which, I mean, at that point, you could do that with every Marvel property, which is what they did with Daredevil…

RB: Mm-hmm.

DHB: …originally, ’cause I think it was supposed to be a different timeline with some of the events. But then they’re like, “Screw it. Everything that happened in Netflix happened before Devil- Daredevil Reborn.“ I think the only thing they said didn’t happen was some of the stuff from She-Hulk.

RB: Yeah, ’cause I was wondering how they were gonna do Devil Reborn, which is this dark, gritty show, and then his walk of shame.

DHB: Yeah, exactly.

RB: I’m like, “Really?“

DHB: Yeah, his, his weird booty call walk of shame, but I think they’re dictating that’s a different timeline or different universe type thing. ’Cause both of those are based on the Netflix.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: And I think they already, they’ve already mentioned they got, brought back, uh, Krysten Ritter to play Jessica Jones.

RB: Yep.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: There’s, the Danny Rand character was so contentious.

DHB: Uh, they just, I think they just need to recast and work on the script a bit more. Or actually, get the Wu-Tang Clan to work on every episode. It, Iron Fist would’ve been amazing.

RB: Well, and, and even if they, they keep the actor, ’cause I know the actor desperately wants to come back and, like…

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …show people.

DHB: Yeah, he can do it.

RB: But I’m like, “Dude, if you, if you come back, have you taken fight training? Have you…“

DHB: Right.

RB: “…actually learned some martial arts to be able to sh… pull off the moves?“ Because if we have an Iron Fist in the same scene as…

DHB: As Shang-Chi.

RB: …as Shang-Chi, you’ve got to be able to fucking, uh…

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …show that…

DHB: Yeah, this has to feel like it’s a stalemate fight.

RB: Yeah. Arguably, I liked the end of Iron Fist when he pulled the two 45s.

DHB: Yeah, yeah.

RB: That was cool. But who knows what’s gonna happen with that character and that show? I do like the idea of a Heroes for Hire.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: But I have loved Daredevil Reborn, and I loved the reintroduction of the Punisher.

DHB: I, I can’t wait for the Punisher one, like, they’re gonna do, isn’t that like a full spinoff? Like they did on Netflix, but I think he’s getting like a special, kinda like they did for, um, Werewolf By Night.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: And I…

RB: And he’s helping write it.

DHB: Yeah, and especially with like, they made him much more brutal. I didn’t think they were gonna go even brutal as Netflix did with the Punisher in Daredevil Reborn, and yeah, he went way more real Punisher in that.

RB: You’re all clowns.

DHB: Yeah. He rips a guy’s jaw off, and I’m like, “Wow, Disney just did not hold back on that one.“

RB: But I, I, I really liked the political commentary…

DHB: Yes.

RB: …of him seeing these people who had usurped his symbol.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And he’s like, “Yeah, Punisher’s not a good guy. This is not someone you should be emulating.“

DHB: See, and I was waiting for that scene from the comic to, to come up when he gets confronted by all the cops. And I was like, even though it still played out, uh, similar, I was kinda hoping he would’ve done the exact same that they did in the comic, where he’s like, “Yeah, no, don’t look up to me. You’re abusing my symbol.“

RB: Yeah, the abuse of the symbol. Well, and that’s why Marvel had to, to move away from the original symbol.

DHB: Well, and they, they, I think they just recently moved back to it, which is the thing. ’Cause I got a T- I bought a T-shirt that had the new symbol and nobody knew what it was ’cause it’s like this weird demon-looking thing.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: And the only reason people could tell it was it said Castle across the top. I wore it three times, and then everybody was like, “Yeah, that’s not the Punisher symbol anymore.“ I was like, “They changed it again on me?“

RB: They brought it back?

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Which I wondered if the reason they brought it back is because of the commentary on Daredevil Reborn.

DHB: It could be, yeah.

RB: And kind of retaking…

DHB: Yeah, trying to reclaim what they, what they lost.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: But there’s a lot of TV shows to talk about.

RB: A lot of TV shows to talk about. A lot of things that might potentially show up at San Diego Comic-Con.

DHB: Correct.

RB: And those off-sites, which s- a lot of ’em, you don’t even have to have a pass to go see.

DHB: Yeah, you can just show up. Like, you know, the, uh, Fox thing we were talking about with all the f- uh, animation stuff. Anybody could show up. I mean, there might be a line, but you could just show up.

RB: If you, if you stand in line, sunscreen, water, and an umbrella.

DHB: Yes.

RB: Whatever you do, just please don’t die if you’re, you’re standing in line, ’cause I know that was one of the things I appreciated about the FX walkthrough in the garden.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And one of, one of them, they were giving away umbrellas.

DHB: Yeah, it was like, “Oh, what are you doing? Well, What We Do In The shadows, we’re giving away umbrellas for that.“ I’m like, “Smart.“

RB: Yeah. But yeah, so many shows, so many tie-ins with San Diego Comic-Con, but…

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …that it’s gonna be fun to see what ’cause as the information starts trickling, ’cause we’re still in June, it should start…

DHB: Well, I mean, I’ve already got a couple of things that, that can’t be…

RB: Yeah, we can’t talk about. We’d have to bleep out…

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …you know, whole sections.

DHB: Sorry about that.

RB: But as we get closer, there shou- they should drop some of that information so we can actually…

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …start talking about ’em.

DHB: And we’ll start posting on, on the website and all that stuff, and maybe work it in a couple of early podcasts.

RB: I think next episode is gonna talk about Weird Al.

DHB: Definitely. I, I’ve seen the show. I think you’re, you guys are seeing it this weekend.

RB: We get to see it this Saturday. And we can have, talk about Weird Al, uh, Puddles.

DHB: Puddles, Puddles.

RB: And just music in general…

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …because there have been some really awesome concerts that you’ve gone to, that I’ve gone to.

DHB: Mm-hmm. Oh yeah, I gone to so many different con… Yeah, exactly. We’ve been all over, so.

RB: And there’s some shows coming up, so we get…

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …to talk about those as well. Well, this is Ray.

DHB: I’m David.

RB: And this has been the AggroCast, the official podcast of AggroGamer. Catch you next time.

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