AggroCast — SDCC 2025 Recap [Episode Eighteen]

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Raymond Bruels: This is the Aggro Cast. This is Ray.

David Hades Becker: And this is David.

RB: And today, we are talking about our San Diego Comic-Con recap. We, uh, I know this is a little behind only because we got back and we had Con Crud.

DHB: Yep.

RB: And so I’m now to a point where I’m not coughing and hacking up a lung every five minutes.

DHB: I’m pretty much the same. But at the same time, there was also so much to pack in from all that.

RB: A lot. And if you’ve, if you’ve been dialed in to our website, you will see a bunch of articles that have come out regarding some of the various things at Comic-Con. But this will be our podcast review, uh, talking about activations, panels, our critiques, and, uh, some of the communication.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: So what would you like to start with first? Do you wanna talk about the, the fun stuff or do you wanna get the critiques and the cri- criticisms out of the way?

DHB: Well, I mean, I normally go with getting the critiques and the negatives out of the way. That gives, you know, get the bad news out there first.

RB: Okay. It’s like good news, bad news.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: All right. So David is a veteran of Comic-Con.

DHB: Yep. Next year will be 20 years.

RB: And I’ve only been going for, like, the last four?

DHB: Yeah. I think about four years now, yeah.

RB: And the very first thing that I noticed was on Wednesday, the line situation.

DHB: Yeah. And the lack of communication for the line situation ’cause I think we were just going there to pick up our bags and our lanyard. We were told to get in one line that took us around the entire buil- building pretty much to get upstairs to go back downstairs so we ne- to leave, to get back into another line.

RB: Yeah. It was ridiculous because literally they walked us all the way down the convention center to where the Hall H pavilions are set up to keep people out of the sun.

DHB: Mm-hmm.

RB: So we had to snake through all of that just to get into the line that was lined up around the, the front of the convention center. And like David said, then we got upstairs for our bags and lanyards, and then they ushered us out a door that kicked us out and we’re like, “Wait, to get back into the vendor hall, we’d have to get back into that line?”

DHB: Yep.

RB: No, thank you.

DHB: Yeah. We, we – I believe we called that a t- a day for us like, “Okay, no preview night for us,” and we just kinda like went around and checked everything else out there.

RB: Yep.

DHB: But that wasn’t the only time that happened. It happened constantly throughout the entire convention.

RB: Yeah. There were so much bad communication and line stuff. And the way that they shut down, like a lot of times, they were shutting down the space between the, the outdoor pavilions for people for the Hall H line and the walkway that takes you out to the bay.

DHB: The, the Bay Area, yeah.

RB: And we were having to wait a lot just to cross that or we were having to walk all the way around because the first couple of days, they completely shut it off.

DHB: Yeah. Like they, it was… normally it’s like a little quick little cut through where they, they break it, break the lines so people can walk through ’cause it’s a lot faster to get to the Bit- uh, the harbor out back, check out everything else. But I think it wasn’t until Friday afternoon, we got, went by there and we could actually walk that area.

RB: Yeah. It was-

DHB: It was so weird.

RB: …it was so different. And there was no real explanation as to why they had changed so much of that from previous years.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And it’s not like it felt like it, it made a difference. It wasn’t a positive impact.

DHB: The only positive impact was I think it added an extra thousand steps onto my walk for the day.

RB: (laughs) Well, ’cause we, we drove in on Wednesday, so that was five and a half hours, and then I think I clocked 20,000 steps on Wednesday.

DHB: Yeah. I think it was about the same.

RB: And s- ’cause we got our, our bags and our lanyards and then we went to the Magic: The Gathering party.

DHB: Well, we did stuff way before then. We’re already, we were supposed to head to activations-

RB: Uh, uh, all right, all right.

DHB: …and other stuff. We’re talking about bad communication now.

RB: Yeah. So yeah, there is a, there was a lot of-

DHB: But-

RB: …bad communication.

DHB: …because it wa- uh, t- on the bad communication side, it wasn’t just that. It’s like the area, they generally have an area that’s just ADA, which perfectly fine. I think this was the first year they closed down two sections of the inside just for ADA and nobody was using it. And i- normally, it’s a place for if you wanna just cut through to get to another hall area, it’d make it so much easier, but they weren’t letting anybody through. And it w- it was the area where, yeah, generally people check in, get their ADA pass and move along, but it was literally just s- shut down with nobody in there.

RB: Well, and no signage.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: So the only way we knew that we had stumbled upon it was when we got yelled at. I don’t have a grudge against that individual for… but it’s just the fact that there was no signage to support them. So all they could do is yell and like, “No, no, you can’t come through!” And…

DHB: Yeah. And ’cause th- that’s all they can do and they have, you know, couple hundred thousand people who are gonna try to walk through there. And I’m like, “I, I get it. It needs to happen, but more communication needs to happen.”

RB: Well, and on the, the communication front, there were a couple of the activations that we had invitations or, or had signed up as press and we walked out to try to get our little pass or our wristband. People weren’t there. We’re like-

DHB: Yep.

RB: …“Well, what the hell’s going on?”

DHB: Makes it happen at Adult Swim and there was another one that had happened at where we just kinda showed up like, kinda did the meme from Pulp Fiction.

RB: Yeah. (laughs)

DHB: Uh, where do we do, where do we go?

RB: Yeah. And it’s like, well, okay, this is great. We showed up at the time that was designated and no one was around.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: That was the other thing. So talking about critiques. This isn’t necessarily communication, but when we showed up on Wednesday, normally so much more of the stuff seems set up.

DHB: Right.

RB: But as we were walking around, there were literally things that they were still unboxing that they were gonna set up that day.

DHB: Yeah. Like, uh, Google was still being set up. The Percy Jackson thing for the Hard Rock was being set up. So was the Predator thing. Like there were so many things still being built.

RB: Well, and we didn’t know about the Predator thing.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: We walked by and we’re like, “What the hell? This is awesome.” But we had gotten no information whatsoever as press regarding that even being there.

DHB: Yeah. Well, that and there was a couple other things that was like we got information, I think one of them on the car ride out, they’re like, “Hey, this is gonna be out here.” Or like for instance, like the Superman thing. They said, “Come out e- as press,” and like show up at these times and I was like, “Do we need to set an appointment or just show up during those times?” And there was really no k- I- I’m almost certain we snuck into somebody else’s time slot ’cause we just kinda showed up and they’re like, “Yeah, you’re press, come on in.”

RB: So we had gotten an email about some kind of T-shirt giveaway that they were gonna be doing in the streets for that new movie, Prime, uh, Primeval. It’s where they’re fighting dinosaurs.

DHB: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

RB: I never saw them.

DHB: I never saw them. And the other one was c- there was another email that came out about the Star Trek dancers.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: Like, I know you saw it, but I, I’ve only seen videos of it later on.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: And-

RB: I stumbled upon it, uh, just walking through.

DHB: Yeah. And then, but that was an email we got as we were driving out saying, “Hey, keep an eye out for this ’cause it’s gonna be happening.” So I was like, “Well, how am I supposed to tell everybody this is happening?” Or how, how are even people gonna be knowing ’cause everybody’s gonna be traveling or busy doing everything down there?

RB: Yeah. It, yeah, so communication, that get, that hearkens back to the communication issue, was that there was a lot of miscommunication going on, even just with the PR teams that were managing the activations.

DHB: Mm-hmm.

RB: Um, we did meet the PR, the lead PR person for, uh, the Twisted Metal activation.

DHB: Well, Twisted Metal and the Alien.

RB: FX, yeah.

DHB: F- FX Alien. And they nailed that. E- and I, when we get into the positives, I have a couple things I wanna drop on that because I learned some stuff over the course of the weekend on how that PR team nailed so many things.

RB: But yeah, it was just go- going back, the fact that setup seemed so delayed-

DHB: Mm-hmm.

RB: …this year.

DHB: Well, even Jenna mentioned, ’cause she was down there two days before any of that, and she was watching people just drop boxes off and do nothing the entire time she was there. They could have been setting up for like, I mean, depending on the permits.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: Like, that might be the only thing, um, is they just didn’t have the permits or the time to actually do it, but boxes were already dropped and just kind of sitting there with security watching it.

RB: Yep.

DHB: S- same thing with, uh, Petco Park.

RB: Oh, gosh.

DHB: Like, they had it fenced off, but all they had was just boxes sitting in there the entire time, I mean, for like two days doing nothing.

RB: Are, are, are we gonna criticize Petco? Is that, is that where we’re at?

DHB: Dude, that’s where I was building into.

RB: (laughs)

DHB: That wa- that was my segue in, into Petco because why are we even doing Petco anymore?

RB: Petco is such a waste. So we had hoped that Petco was going to have more going on ’cause there had been some advertisements for various things that were supposed to be at Petco this, this year. And we’re like, “Oh, cool. So maybe they’re trying to rekindle that area,” ’cause the last few years have been really mediocre and it’s just like they shove, like, things that don’t normally fit within the Comic-Con programming into that space. So we get out there, ’cause mostly I wanted to, I wanted to see the Magic: The Gathering photo shoot with the Cabbage Man because of the last Airbender set that’s coming out. So we were like, “Okay, let’s get out there. Let’s see what the line’s like.” And it was terrible.

DHB: Yeah. Well, it was, the line was already capped by the time we got there for that.

RB: Yep.

DHB: But that was also the only thing out there un- unless you wanted food trucks. There was a photo op for the new Winx TV show. Something-

RB: There was-

DHB: …something to do with eBay.

RB: …an eBay thing, yeah.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: It ha-

DHB: It was terrible.

RB: Yeah, and that, that was it.

DHB: I’m like, “You should just shut down Petco.”

RB: Yeah.

DHB: There’s no reason.

RB: Or, or ’cause I originally, I remember when we went down there, it seemed like that’s where the Twisted Metal bumper cars was gonna be ’cause there was plenty of space so they could have done that. Same thing with South Park.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: But like, South Park was a good 15-minute hike away from the convention center for where that was at. And even though Twisted Metal was just kinda like across the street on the other end, they could have fit both of those in Petco instead of making people walk further and people could have still had their time and do everything.

DHB: And given people a reason to go to Petco.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: Because at this point I don’t fucking care what’s gonna be in Petco, ’cause at this point there’s no reason for me to hike my ass out there for nothing.

RB: Y- Well, unless it’s on the first night where they’re ushering everybody to walk around the convention center to get in.

DHB: (laughs)

RB: ’Cause then we had to walk over the bridge and we could look into Petco, which is how we saw there was just empty box or boxes everywhere ’cause nothing was set up.

DHB: But like, it took us, we, it took us longer to get through the security line as a team than the time we spent inside of Petco.

RB: E- exactly.

DHB: It was, it was terrible. It, that is a massive critique. If you go out to Comic-Con, I would recommend do not waste your time with Petco unless there is something out there. W- walk over the bridge ’cause you could take the bridge over to the harbor area. If you take that one route, you could see what’s in Petco and see what’s gonna be worth your time. It has not been worth the time the last three years.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: In- including, like, it feels like they’re putting more and more on the little walkway towards Petco. ’Cause last year I don’t remember having as many of the weird little photo ops. They actually had the Naked Gun, uh, Lilo & Stitch, the Thunderbolts, like all that stuff leading up to it, that felt like stuff they could have put in Petco. Yeah. But it was just on that little walkway there.

RB: Well, and they would have had more space because they shoved all of that stuff into that sidewalk area.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: I know one of our team members actually went to the Thunderbolts ice cream thing and it was like a 30-minute wait.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: But you’re cramming a bunch of people into a tiny space to move through that line. You could have given people a reason to go to Petco by pushing that stuff into Petco.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: But-

DHB: The o- the only thing I can think is it’s permits and then it might have been cheaper for them to put those little photo ops right there on that little s- sidewalk instead of trying to rent out the space over there.

RB: And then the, the only thing that I saw as we were leaving Petco, there were some gals that rolled up with a cart that had the pudgy penguin bags.

DHB: Yes.

RB: And they were handing out bags and I’m like, “Okay, cool.”

DHB: Yeah. I don’t even think they were handing them out like they were supposed to be there handing them out. I think they were just, “We n- wa- don’t want to carry this box around anymore.” ’Cause that’s kind of what they were, it felt it was like, “Okay, who wants a bag? Just swarm us.”

RB: Yeah.

DHB: “Take ’em.”

RB: Yeah. Petco was terrible. The outside, I don’t know, the vibe felt different with some-

DHB: Oh.

RB: …of the outside stuff.

DHB: Yeah, it di- it definitely did. Well, it also felt a little, uh, weird on the inside too, y- which builds onto the whole communication thing was normally in the past people understand and know how some of the lines work and all that stuff. But there was multiple times, ’cause th- they were doing the Airbender thing as well inside n- in-

RB: Nickelodeon.

DHB: …Nickelodeon.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: And the line was capped well before they even opened the doors. So I’m like, “How is that working?” And, or they would tell people, “Come back at this time,” and, and then people would show up and be told, “Oh, we capped everything two hours ago.”

RB: Well, and my understanding with the Nickelodeon thing was after the first day they stopped doing that inside the vendor hall.

DHB: Oh, okay.

RB: Because of the line issue. I think they pushed it all towards Petco.

DHB: Gotcha.

RB: So the Magic, ’cause they were giving away an exclusive Magic card for the, The Last Airbender set. And yeah, they pushed it all to Petco.

DHB: Well-

RB: But then, then, th- that’s why the lines were, like, four hours long.

DHB: Yeah. But, but at the same time it wasn’t even th- just them, it was also Tron was doing their special thing for the Nine Inch Nails album and, like, a bunch of other ones. It was like we walked by there, by the time we found out this was a thing, line was already capped and they were sold out for the entire weekend.

RB: Yeah. Well, and I remember us stopping by the Tron thing-I walked up just to kind of see what they were selling, and the guy behind the counter was just not, was not enthused.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: I was like, “So what are you, what are you selling?” I had to ask him three times before he actually responded to me. I’m just like, “If you’re here, please be aware, and I’m wearing my press badge. I’m, I’m here asking questions. I’m not trying to jump the line. I just want to know, so like, we could actually, you know, report on it.” ’Cause they had, they had record pressings-

DHB: Mm-hmm.

RB: …that were, were cool, and they had decals and other stuff, but-

DHB: Well, a- and there was the, the photo op, and apparently that was a whole separate line you, you had to get into, so people didn’t know that was going down because nobody wanted to actually talk about it and communicate.

RB: Well, and we didn’t even know where the hell it was.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Like, we were looking to see where in the vendor hall it was, and we had to blunder through it.

DHB: Well, not even that. It was on Sunday, I walked through the sales pavilion. In the free press area, the table was just covered in little promos for that one booth. They were, like, they didn’t put their little promos out anywhere because we’re talking a good 100 feet of table covered in, “Come to this booth for the Tron: Ares, uh, pressing,” and-

RB: Wow.

DHB: …talk, or, like, somebody bungled that. But at the same time, I think, I think it’s also the people ’cause we also went to the Troma booth. I was just trying, not even, like, doing anything press-wise. I was just trying to talk to the person running the booth and get some information just in general on what they had there, and they looked like they w- did not want to even be there.

RB: I’m like, “Were you just tired?” Because I know it was later in the day. So they had the original director of the Toxic Avenger movie there, and he’s like a 70-plus-year-old guy, and he was more enthused-

DHB: Yeah, he was-

RB: …than the people running the booth.

DHB: Yeah. He was animated. He was willing to talk to everybody. Uh, uh, we didn’t get to talk to him, unfortunately, because he was talking to everybody else.

RB: And he was taking pictures with people.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: He was signing stuff. And the one, the one person that walked over to actually say hi to us seemed so nervous, and w- I’m like, “Don’t worry about it. I’m, I’m not here to bother to ask questions.”

DHB: Yeah.

RB: “I’m just looking.” It just… God, the vibe really felt really strange this year.

DHB: It, it did, yes.

RB: There were so many more people in the vendor hall. Like, when we were walking around… So we finally, after all the activations and stuff, we finally cut some time to be able to walk through the vendor hall, and there were so many people compared to previous years.

DHB: Quote-unquote “walk” through the vendor hall-

RB: Yeah. Yeah.

DHB: …because there was no walking.

RB: No, it was, it was like the, The Walking Dead. It was shuffling.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: We were shuffling through. Was this because there weren’t more Hall H panels drawing people out of the room?

DHB: Not just Hall H. There wasn’t many panels in general to draw people out.

RB: Well, and that was one of the things that we talked about, was we had next to no interviews this year-

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …as press. There were no interview opportunities.

DHB: Exactly.

RB: It’s not just the fact that we didn’t have any, we didn’t do any interviews, it’s the fact that there weren’t, there weren’t really any offers to have interviews.

DHB: Yeah, I think that at most we got two interviews, one for the TV show Upload, and then the other one was for the Alien, uh, VR game that they weren’t talking about anything that we hadn’t already covered from last year.

RB: Well, and then there were a couple of things that are outside of our bailiwick, like there was an author. “Well, here’s this author that has written a, a book series.” While we haven’t read the book, we’re not familiar with this author. Why would we-

DHB: Yeah, like what, what questions are we gonna ask?

RB: Yeah. So we’re not, we’re not informed of this, and they didn’t provide a whole lot of information regarding that author. So yeah, we weren’t informed, and there was next to nothing for video games.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: There was one, one thing that we stopped by and checked out. We did move through the Stern pinball area, but as we had commented on in our previous podcast-

DHB: They were pushing Jaws.

RB: It was the same stuff.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: There was nothing new.

DHB: The only thing that was new there was they had a photo op with the wax figure of the, uh, the, the captain.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: That was it.

RB: Need a bigger boat.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Um, (laughs) but yeah, so this, this year was just bizarre.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: It was really bizarre. And so that’s why activations became the big thing for us this year.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: We had talked previously about all of the ad- the emails and advertisements we had seen for the activations, but then when we got there, holy shit. I feel like our entire weekend was activations.

DHB: Yeah, and I think I clocked it. I think I did a total of four hours in the convention hall, and that’s including the hour that we were in line f- or we were there for the Toxic Avenger panel.

RB: Wow. Yeah, and-

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …everything else was walking to activations-

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …and, and doing activations.

DHB: Exactly, yeah. ’Cause like, I mean, even if, if we want to go back to that, we could, we could start doing the po- positives. Well, positives and negatives ’cause some of the activations really weren’t worth it. But like, we started out doing the, the Paramount Lodge, and we got walked right into that, and y- there was the thing for Dexter, the Star Trek thing, and, uh, was it Land Mast? A bunch of other little photo ops in there, and la- um, the tour of the killer museum for Dexter and all that stuff. So it was like fun little things like that.

RB: I tell you, though, as, ’cause we went through, we, we had their little chicken sliders and fries, and-

DHB: Fries were so good.

RB: But stepping outside after having gone into the Paramount+ and seeing the line of people-

DHB: Yeah, the-

RB: I’m like-

DHB: …four-hour line to get in for the next day.

RB: You poor, poor people. It’s…I don’t feel it’s worth that line.

DHB: No.

RB: And did you notice? They had no swag tables to buy anything.

DHB: Yeah, they, yeah, there was nothing in there to, to actually peddle or anything like that in there ’cause it was-

RB: ’Cause normally they have something where you can go in and buy…And like, we got a Star Fleet bag.

DHB: We got the Land, uh, Land Mast b- mug, the Dexter, uh, I want to say it was like a, a tablecloth, something like that.

RB: Yeah, it was like some kind of, uh, canvas cloth that was blood spattered. Really, there was, there was nothing to purchase. There…You had, you had your drink tickets. I would not recommend people stand in line for as long as they do.

DHB: Yeah, not, not for that at least ’cause like, I think we were, we would have been in and out of there, if we weren’t just trying to kill some time before the next thing we had to go do, probably in about 10 minutes, 20 minutes.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: And that’s going through, taking the, to doing all the little photo ops, having our two drinks, and…

RB: Yeah. So I would not recommend people going to Paramount+ standing in line just for their offerings.

DHB: No. Like if you can luck, if you luck out and you get one of the reservations, sure, but standing in line, uh, w- wasting your time. If you have n- if you have nothing else to do, maybe.

RB: Another point about communication. Trying to get into the Star Trek thing. So we walk up, and there’s an entrance, and we’re like, “Okay,” and they’re like, “No, the line’s over here.” So…I think Jana and I got moved three times-

DHB: Mm-hmm.

RB: …to try to find the line, which then we had to go all the way to the back of the building to go in. And then we go in, and we say hi to some of the actors dressed in Starfleet Academy, uh, regalia. And then we get up to the line to their photo op, which was essentially on the holodeck. We were like, “No, stop,” because they were letting people through the back door that we were told, “No, that’s not where to go.”

DHB: Yeah, ’cause they had a secondary line, and they’re like, “We can’t just make people have to get into a different line again.” So they let, they ran that line through, and we were kinda standing there for, like, 10 minutes, waiting for them to go through that.

RB: And standing in line, for what it was, I do not feel was worth it.

DHB: I didn’t even get the picture. It, it was supposed to send out in texts. Still haven’t received it.

RB: Wow. That sucks.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Yeah, ’cause really, you got somebody that sits down in a chair, like a captain, and it, and the scenario of the holodeck, you’re like in a, a pulp ’50s alien sci-fi movie, with strange aliens on the screen, and you can take a picture where you’re posing.

DHB: Yeah, you’re trying to interact with it somehow.

RB: Yeah. And then they send you on your way. So Paramount+, you know, if I was gonna give it a, a grade, which I’m not, um, you know, we don’t, we don’t really do that, but if I was gonna give it a grade, be like a (laughs)-

DHB: Yeah, uh, ou- outside of the, the lemonade was good, the fries were good, and I personally enjoyed the Dexter thing, even though that was a 45-second walk-through thing.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: Other than that, yeah, it was, if you have nothing else to do and somehow re- get a reservation, maybe it’s worth your time. But outside of that, not really.

RB: Speaking that lemonade, that’s the one thing I, I took away from this year. I never knew how much I needed lemonade-

DHB: Yeah, the frozen lemonades?

RB: …in my life, because between having it there at the Paramount thing, and then we found a restaurant that had it on tap, and I think I went back there, like, four times. It was that great. But going back to activations-

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …so, we got through Paramount+.

DHB: So, we got through Paramount+, and we were supposed to do adult swim, and that’s one of the ones where we showed up and nobody was there.

RB: Yeah, we hiked back, like, a mile and a half.

DHB: ’Cause we also had to walk around the entire convention center to get there, ’cause we couldn’t walk through the little cut-through. But then we went and did the Magic: The Gathering/Spider-Man thing.

RB: That was awesome. If you haven’t read my article on Aggro Gamer, I definitely recommend it. We got up to the floor where it was being held. We heard the music blasting, and we weren’t really sure what we were getting into, but we got through in, through the door. Lo and behold, there was DMC from RUN-DMC. Then there was a, a place where you could pick up some of their welcome decks, because for the Spider-Man set, they are coming out with two 30-card packs in a box that is a welcome deck that teaches you not only how to play Magic: The Gathering, but also introduces you to the Spider-Man cards. So you get the welcome packs. We were able to, as press, we got one of each of the welcoming packs. I don’t know if that was something that we were supposed to.

DHB: No, I think it was, I think it was something special that they did at, at one point, ’cause it was like, I s- I think some of the people from Disney showed up, and like, “Well, we can’t just give the people from Disney these.” So they, like, they gave it to all the press that were also sitting there at the same time.

RB: And then I saw Brian Kibler and Olivia, his fiancee. He is a Hall of Fame Magic: The Gathering player. She’s no slouch, and they are both the hosts of a YouTube channel, Commanders at Home, I think. But I got to see them and talk to Brian for a little bit regarding Magic, and, and he was saying that, well, with the IP of Marvel, this is probably just the start, ’cause they had done a Secret Lair set with some Marvel cards. They were cards from previous sets that they had just re-skinned as Marvel characters, like Captain America, Captain America’s shield, Deadpool, et cetera. But now that we have a Spider-Man set, which now we’re getting more information released as they are talking about it, ’cause…Yeah, read my article. They, there was a lot of consternation about the fact that they were having a pre-release, the pre-release weekend for Edge of Eternities, and then they had this Spider-Man party at Comic-Con. I feel like, and I agree in some ways with some of the, the YouTubers talking about how it stole the thunder for the set, but it’s gonna be the tip of the iceberg when it comes to these Marvel cards. And they just released a, uh, a sneak peek of one of the Infinity Stones-

DHB: Oh, nice.

RB: …that’s gonna be in the set. And I don’t think this was supposed to be a very big set. It was supposed to be, like, 200 cards, but they decided to make it, I think, it’s, it is a little bigger now.

DHB: Well, they like money.

RB: They like money. And that’s a whole other podcast-

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …we could talk about, because there’s a, a lot of stuff when it comes to money, but the party.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: The party was probably th- my second favorite of all the stuff that we did, because yeah, you had the, you had DMC, and he was, he was so wholesome, talking a message of art and community and-

DHB: Yeah, exactly. It was, he built all of that up, as, as well as hi- as doing the job of hyping up the cards and telling people all the other, like, y- helping usher people through the whole experience as well.

RB: Yeah, ’cause, you know, Spider-Man being from New York, DMC from New York, and then inside, they had actually done some theming. So, they had a bagel shop-

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …that you could go in and you could get a comic book. They had a newspaper stand that, when you open up the newspaper, it’s actually a play mat for Spider-Man. And then, of course, they had a photo op of J. Jonah Jameson and The Daily Bugle’s office.

DHB: Yeah, his office, it looked like it was being attacked or something like that.

RB: Yeah. And so you could go and you could take a picture behind his desk and curse Spider-Man. So yeah, overall, it was a lot of fun, and I’m really glad that we had that opportunity, especially since I have gotten back into Magic: The Gathering, and we could, we could get, you know, get a look at the new Spider-Man cards. And some of the cards are just awesome.

DHB: Yeah, and, and from what I understood with that whole thing, it’s, minus the, I think, the food, drink, and then RUN- uh, DMC for RUN-, you know, not playing, that’s when people that were not press were getting a similar thing. Like, they’d get there, they’d get, uh, one of the little boxes, learn how to play the game, and they could do all the other little activations in there.

RB: The, uh, the other celebrity that I met, unfortunately it was too loud, so it was kind of an awkward exchange, but the professor from the Tolarian Community College, which is another-

DHB: Mm-hmm.

RB: …YouTube channel. I saw him moving through, and I tried to say hi, and unfortunately, I was a little bit long-winded while the music was thumping. But it was great to, to see the professor live and in the flesh.

DHB: Right.

RB: But yeah, so that was great. We did the Magic: The Gathering party.

DHB: Yeah, and I, that kind of wrapped up that night. So, there, there was a couple other things, I think, it was, we did, like, a dinner and then kind of went back to the room.

RB: Was there a party?

DHB: There’s always, uh, the Ready Party 1.

RB: Mm-hmm.

DHB: Uh, we got something coming out on the, the site for that, though. Uh, so we don’t have to dig into that too much-

RB: Yeah.

DHB: …’cause I know not all of us went to that.

RB: ’Cause there were three parties all together that our group-

DHB: Yes.

RB: …was a part of.

DHB: Correct.

RB: Um, ’cause there was a Ready Party 1, the Fandom party-

DHB: The Fandom party.

RB: …and then the Mosh Isley.

DHB: Yes.

RB: Yeah. And I only went to one of ’em because I’m old, and I like sleep. And after the drive and 20,000 steps, I was just cooked for that day.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And then, of course, we were clocking, you know, 16 to 18,000 steps the rest of the day. So-

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …how you guys managed to push through…

DHB: I do this every year.

RB: Yeah. (laughs)

DHB: I, I get used to it. But, uh, moving on to the next, next day, next few days, we can do this out of, out of order-

RB: Yeah.

DHB: …but we can talk about all the other ones, ’cause there’s, uh, and we mentioned it before.Twisted Metal had bumper cars out there.

RB: And that was my favorite. So when I say m- the Magic Party was number two, number one had to be the Twisted Metal bumper cars.

DHB: Yeah. C- not, not only was it fun to do the bumper cars, they had people out, they had actors out there for s- some of the roles like Calypso, Sweet Tooth, which was the same Sweet Tooth that has been in all their other activations they’ve done since the series first started.

RB: Is it Baby, Baby Doll?

DHB: Uh, yeah. Um, yeah, Baby Doll, and then Grit, Mr. Grimm.

RB: We got through the front gate into the line for the bumper cars, and there’s a, an actor as Calypso who was just fucking nailing it.

DHB: Yes.

RB: And, and so he was, he was mocking us the entire time. We were running around, bumping into each other.

DHB: Did not break character once.

RB: And even when we…After the ride was over, we stopped and we’re like, “Hey, can we get your socials? We want to congratulate you.” Never once broke character. I got a selfie with him, but like…No, he was like, “You want to know…This is my domain. Go talk to other people.” And he was amazing.

DHB: Yeah. Yeah, he, he was like the perfect hype into it all and just kept it going. And s- I, I did it twice and same thing the second time I went there, just nailing it. Hardcore just like, did not break character. And working the crowd, because people were standing in line for hours to go do this, and even with, uh…Sweet Tooth was doing karaoke with people in the crowd as well.

RB: That was great too.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Seeing the karaoke. And I got a selfie with, with Sweet Tooth as well.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And then they had some of the cars. Uh, they’re probably not cars from the show, but they were mock-ups?

DHB: Yeah, there was a couple mock-ups or li- like photo ops. Includ- including the one f- uh, Sweet Tooth’s ice cream truck was out there, and that’s the one they’ve taken on tours for everybody else to do. So there was that.

RB: And there were a bunch of the Baby Dolls running around.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And then Mr. Grimm or, yeah.

DHB: Yeah, Mr. Grimm.

RB: Mr. Grimm running around being all spooky.

DHB: Trying to buy souls for selfies.

RB: Yep. And he looked great.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: How he was not dying in that heat, I will never know.

DHB: Yeah, full, full leathers and a biker helmet. Yeah.

RB: Yeah. But, so we, we went and we spoke with the f- the gals that were up front because we wanted to, to pass on our compliments, not only for the activation but also for the actors.

DHB: Mm-hmm.

RB: And we got to meet Julie.

DHB: Yes.

RB: And Julie, I guess, is the head PR person that…Not only for the, the Twisted Metal activation, but also for the FX Alien Earth activation.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And Julie was awesome.

DHB: Yes.

RB: I have not had a lot of great experiences in person with PR people, but she was so excited and happy to hear from us and was thankful for our commentary and it was great.

DHB: Well, and, and took some of it to heart because, uh, there was obviously with the bumper cars, there was the waiver everybody had to sign. They had like, um, tablets out there to fill out and then there was issues with the wristbands. So the second time I went there, they’d gotten rid of the, the tablets to do the, the waiver and were literally handing out just sheets of paper ’cause it…That was pushing people so much faster through.

RB: And they had different wristbands.

DHB: They had different wristbands because, uh, people were swapping and all that stuff. They’re like, “Oh, we don’t want people jumping the line,” ’cause that was one of the ones you had to get a specific time for. They had a wristband if you were press, if you’re a VIP, or if you were just kind of a general, came in and had your, um, did your waiver. And they, they made it work the first day and then they got on the ball the second day I was there. Like, they were like, “We figured out what was wrong.” They corrected it, and it ran even smoother. E- even though the first night we were there, ran so smooth. They, they made it go even better the next time.

RB: And the other thing I thought was really impressive, as we’re driving away on Sunday, it was gone.

DHB: Yeah. Like you never knew it was there. It got taken down so fast.

RB: So efficient, so friendly, amazing actors.

DHB: Mm-hmm.

RB: Cannot hype up enough the work that they did for Twisted Metal.

DHB: Well, we can move right on to the other work they did for a- the Alien Earth things. We got to do…

RB: Yeah.

DHB: You got to do one half of that, but that was two, ’cause there was two different parts of that activation.

RB: Yeah, ’cause there was the daytime activation, which takes you through essentially a crash site where a company had collected eggs from the alien xenomorphs. And you could actually see them in containment cases, and you could see where some of the eggs had actually broken open. And so there were some, some giveaways that they did and then some photo op opportunities. And that was super fun. And-

DHB: Yeah, the weird, the weird creepy tunnel that could be a, uh, like a haunted house type thing.

RB: Yeah. And the, the xenomorph statue that was kind of on top of the crate.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And there were a bunch of wallpapers you could download for your phone, so I, I have a-

DHB: And, and they’re still sending more of them. I got an e- I got a text today saying, “Hey, we’ve updated even more.” I’m like, “Okay, well, time to download.”

RB: Yeah.

DHB: And it wasn’t, not just for your phone, it’s for your watch, for all your Android and iOS devices.

RB: And I tell you, some of the previews I’ve he- I’ve seen for that show, I am so hyped for that show. But they, they also gave us a drink, a j- a g-

DHB: A j- jawbreaker.

RB: Jawbreaker.

DHB: And some pins.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: And that was the daytime one. The nighttime one, it was the same layout. You kind of went a different route. But they turned it into kind of s- a haunted house like scare action. ’Cause like, th- uh, which w- we posted the full video, uh, run through when I got to go through it. And it was like, they gave you a, um, a blacklight you had to take with, that was like part of your swag. And that built into the whole, um, finding where the xeno morphi- morphics, uh, escaped to. Some of the pods that were broken open, they broke up open live so you got splattered as well. Then the hallway where it was like, I think you s- you did a little jump scare where it was like normally a photo op, they had actors in there doing jump scares in there. All the way to like the very end where it was like the xenomorph and the facehugger actually appear in there and kind of give you that one big jump at the end before pushing you out. And then you got more of the same drinks and jawbreakers and all that stuff. So it was a whole different experience at night.

RB: Again, Julie, and you’ll probably never listen to this, but you were amazing.

DHB: Yes.

RB: Your team was amazing. The experiences that you guys put on were incredible.

DHB: Yeah. Well, I’m, I’m also wondering if she might have been in charge of the King of the Hill because that’s…Kind of falls in the FX Hulu, uh, bucket. And-

RB: Yeah, and King of the Hill was really good too.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: It was like an outdoor backyard party.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: So you had, you had some backyard games, like ring toss.

DHB: And like a beer pong.

RB: Yeah. There was the, the beanbag into the, the-

DHB: The giant like uh, tu- tub or whatever, yeah.

RB: Yeah. And you could get a, a breakfast taco and-

DHB: They, they had hats and all that stuff they were doing out there. There was a couple of photo ops, a couple other things.

RB: Yeah, it was, it was really cool.

DHB: The, they had th- uh, the water that was, uh, themed around the Alamo beer and all that stuff.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: So it’s really, really cool.

RB: I, uh, I really appreciate it. I’ve, I was never much King of the Hill, but for them to usher in for the bringing it back.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: It was great. It was a great activation to remind everybody of the characters. Pocket sand.

DHB: Exactly.

RB: (laughs)

DHB: Well, and it…They had that all in the, some of the swag you were able to win as well. ’Cause you, ’cause you had to play the games, and if you won, you actually got little, uh, swag and all that stuff. And that’s on the, the barbecue apron that they gave out i- in the, from the ring toss.

RB: Nice. So the FX thing was great. You got to do a little bit of the adult swim.

DHB: So, uh, actually getting into the adult swim, it’s not as bad as Petco, but it feels like it’s getting like Petco is where it’s almost not w- worth the time. ’Cause we got to go in as press or as a, I think like l- labeled as like friends and family. So this means we got to bypass the outside line. But once you got inside, everything else was a line. And so it was like we stood in, stood in…Didn’t stand in line to go stand in line. Or if you didn’t have the friends and family thing, you stood in line for an hour or two to get inside to stand in line.And I mean, it looked cool ’cause there was the giant inflatable butt bouncing room, that giant foam, uh, block thing you can jump into.

RB: There was a dinosaur-

DHB: Yeah. Dinosaur pho- photo op.

RB: …photo op.

DHB: Which is the only thing we got a chance to do because, like, the line was, like, four people long for that one. I know somebody else on our team got to do the, the slide a few times. But it, at the end of the day, it wa- it was mainly so they could put on their shows out there after seven o’clock. So like after seven o’clock is when they were starting to have some of the actors and voice actors also coming out and they were doing premieres for some of the shows. So didn’t get to do much in there outside of walk in, take a bunch of photos because it was set up as a cat pirate party or something like that.

RB: Yeah, it was, it was weird.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Uh-

DHB: I wanted to go in the butt, the, in the butts bouncy house from Rick and Morty because they made Butt World.

RB: (laughs)

DHB: But I think once you got through the two-hour line to get into the place, it was another hour line to get into butt bounce house for, like, a minute. So, like, not worth my time to go through all that stuff.

RB: Yeah. And then the only other thing, well, there were a couple of other things in that area. There was Voodoo Ranger Boat.

DHB: Yeah. Which-

RB: Which you got some of our, our team members on.

DHB: Yeah. And, and that was more or less it was a themed bar. You got on there, they had a party going on. There was a couple of places to buy some drinks. Then you ge- just got to sit around and drink and have a good time on a pirate ship.

RB: And w- David met a fan.

DHB: I did meet, uh, one of her fans i- in, in the captain’s quarter of all places. So hello, if you’re listening.

RB: Were you the cabin boy? (laughs)

DHB: Yeah. (laughs) No, I was not the cabin boy this time around.

RB: But yeah, the Voodoo Ranger Boat.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And then also out there was the Superman.

DHB: Yeah, the Superman, uh, Old Spice thing.

RB: Yeah. And that was actually really fun.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: So you go in, and they had a rocket ship that was a photo op that they actually took the picture. So you got to pose with a, a stick of deodorant, which is actually really nice.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: It’s a citrus smell. I’ve been, I’ve been using it because I, I just, I really liked the scent. And so we got our pictures. I was wearing my Green Lantern shirt. So I, uh-

DHB: And I, and I was wearing my Fuck Supes hat, so it kind of worked.

RB: (laughs)

DHB: (laughs)

RB: And so, uh, we, we got our picture taken. And then while we were just kind of chilling, I, I noticed that there was a playing card on one of the tables. I was like, “What is this?” And the gal th- was like, “Yeah, we’ve got Old Spice playing cards,” and gave us decks of playing cards.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Which was fun. I really enjoyed that little…

DHB: Yeah, it wasn’t, it wasn’t, like, overly involved. It was like a nice short little sweet thing to go in, do, you know, get, get some free deodorant, which definitely you need at Comic-Con.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: And, you know, a, a nice little place to lounge, photo op. Because they had the, you could also do the other photo, which I don’t think any of us did, where it’s the Superman pose of him lifting the car.

RB: Oh, Jana did.

DHB: Oh yeah, yeah, that’s right, yeah.

RB: And the gal who took the picture actually did a really good job in posing Jana to like where her hand was on the wheel ’cause it was, it was the o- the classic Superman image from when he was first introduced where he’s, like, holding the car up in the air. And yeah, Jana got a picture, and it looked great.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: So yeah, uh, kudos to them for, for such an odd little activation.

DHB: Yeah, odd collaboration, activation, but they still, it, it felt worth the, worth the time and wait.

RB: And they had a screen that was showing some not only ads for the Old Spice Superman product, but I also think they had some, some rolling footage from the movie.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: So that was, um, on the Bay side, I think that was the other thing.

DHB: Well, th- the other things that were on there was, uh, we didn’t get to do any of it, was the Abbott Elementary block party, which I, I know we, we spoke about before in, in articles and podcasts. And then there was the Brawl Stars Mr. Beast thing out there for some mobile kids gambling game.

RB: Yeah, we, anybody that knows us, we have a big problem with the predatory nature of mobile games and the gambling aspect. Uh, we have a lot of background with that, not only David’s, uh, experience in games as well as coding, but also, like, we, we have played mobile games. We’ve talked about Marvel Strike Force in the past and how these games appeal to children and all it is, is just loot box gaming gambling.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Uh, so yeah, to have Mr. Beast out there and it’s like, “Oh, win an action figure,” or whatever bullshit and the candy bars.

DHB: Or g- get some Feastibles. Yeah, I guess some candy from us.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: Like, have some mediocre chocolate.

RB: So Mr. Beast, not, we’re not a huge Mr. Beast supporter.

DHB: But that was there. But-

RB: Yeah.

DHB: …moving, moving away from the Bay, we got to talk about a couple of things we did. I did Peace Fest wi- uh, for Peacemaker three times for various reasons.

RB: Yeah, we went to Peace Fest the first time, which was pretty fun ’cause you walked inside, and it was set up like a, a stage area. And they had the bike from the show. They had another little place with a picture of him. They had the swag, but a lot of the swag either was sold out or it was only that you could buy off the website that weekend.

DHB: Yeah. It was so weird.

RB: Yeah, iva- bizarre. Like, you would think that they would want to sell more of the swag, but you also got the helmet.

DHB: Yeah, you got the, a little plastic helmet as part of the swag with the bandana while we’re waiting in line.

RB: Yep.

DHB: There was other, other little photo, there was a photo booth where you can ge- get what super villain or hero are you.

RB: Yeah, ’cause there’s a whole upstairs area-

DHB: There’s a-

RB: …that you went to.

DHB: Upstairs. So there was two upstairs, which I found out on the third visit we went there.

RB: (laughs)

DHB: Because it, because it…So the whole thing is kind of set up like a little, uh, concert hall. It’s where we saw Rave o- uh, Rave of Thrones in the past.

RB: Yep.

DHB: It’s where we did the Dungeons and Dragons, uh, bar thing in the past. Uh, upstairs, like the first upstairs, they had Mortal Kombat 1 where Peacemaker is a, one of the characters.

RB: Yep.

DHB: And if you played the game, apparently there was like a three-person tournament, uh, w- during each visit. Whoever got the top got entered in to win a PS5 and some stuff.

RB: Oh.

DHB: But then they had the bar up there, which was like Arizona, uh, Iced Tea had their new hard iced tea, and they were giving that out as kind of like hardcore’s, um-…bar from the TV show, so it took kinda, like, building of the branding and theming, but that was all that was on that. Then you had the super secret third floor-

RB: (laughs)

DHB: …where you could get a photo op with Eagly, the, the eagle from the TV show, but that was only for, like, an hour or two each day. And the only way to get up there was to either, A, know somebody or be pressed, or B, one of the three random people they would select from the actual activation, be like, “Your cosplay is cool,” or “You seem really cool. Let’s go take a picture with the bird.” Which was weird because they were also trying to promote the wildlife, uh, organization that’s taking care of these sanctuary birds. So, like, you kinda want people to go up there and donate, but it was an isolated thing to where you just couldn’t walk up there and take a picture.

RB: Well, and you only got to do that on the third time.

DHB: That was the third time, and only because we talked to one of the PR reps going, “Oh, you should come this, come back the next day.”

RB: Yeah.

DHB: But, the other times we went, uh, they…The main activation outside of all that, ’cause it was, like, the first 10, 15 minutes while they’re ushering people in. You mi- mingle around, you take your photos, but then they do, like, a 20-minute concert with a band.

RB: That was incredible.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Y- So, Foxy…Gosh, I always forget their name. They did the main theme song for the Peacemaker show-

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …but they come, they come on, and they s- they do the theme song, and then they keep going.

DHB: Yeah, they do have-

RB: And they keep going. Like, four, five songs, I’m like, “What the hell is going on here? This is like an actual concert.”

DHB: Yeah, it was, it was a mini concert. I, I put the en- Uh, for the fir- the first visit we went there, I took the entire 20-minute video, and i- it’s up on our YouTube right now. So if you wanna see it, it’s up there. And that was the same band every hour for the first two days.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: And then there was the third day, they got a, a different band which was the one they actually used in, um, I wanna say they used in Peacemaker season two and in the Su- Superman movie.

RB: Is that Steel Panther?

DHB: I don’t remember the name of the band, but they actually got the, the performers for that.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: But we also got surprised. The drummer from System of a Down just hopped on stage and played drums for them at one, at one point during the concert. So it was, it was a fun little thing, and…

RB: Well, an- and then after they did the set, they stood by the exit door-

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …to say hi to the folks that had come through the activation.

DHB: They said hi to people, gave fist bumps out, randomly gave out, like, drumsticks and guitar picks. Oh, that’s…

RB: They were awesome.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: For a band that I had never heard of until the Peacemaker show, and, uh, as evidenced by the fact that I can’t remember the full band’s name. They were incredible.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: They were…To, to be able to do that.

DHB: E- Every hour, do a 20-minute set.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: And maybe have a 20-minute downtime in between.

RB: Yeah. So my, my hat off to those guys. PeaceFest was fun. I really thought it was gonna be a little more than what it was.

DHB: Yeah, I was, I was expecting a little more. I’m, I’m not disappointed by what we got, but I was expecting, like…’Cause even the John Cena showing up as, like, the character, they…It was to kick everybody else out.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: Like, I was expecting kinda to see a screen in the background where maybe they had a, a hologram, quote unquote, “hologram” version of him.

RB: But it was just a recording. Yeah.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Yeah, ’cause it started with the recording and then he’s like, “All right, uh, I mean, party’s over,” whatever.

DHB: Yeah, ’cause it…Well, the, the premise of it is we’re walking into one of the pocket dimensions and the pocket dimension was closing down.

RB: Yeah. But I am looking forward to that show.

DHB: I, I am too. E- Even more, uh…I know a couple people who went with us to that activation had never seen the show and they binge watched it in a day. So…(laughs)

RB: Well, and I’ve…Since coming back, I’ve been telling people about PeaceFest and telling them they need to watch season one.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Uh…

DHB: Well, and, and the Suicide Squad.

RB: Yep.

DHB: ’Cause it’s like you wouldn’t expect it, but th- that one character just is so perfect for this.

RB: John Cena is awesome.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And I, I truly appreciate him, not only as a wrestler but also as an actor. Actual actor.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: But yeah, so PeaceFest.

DHB: So we did-

RB: You did that three times.

DHB: Did that three times, and then o- One of the…The last time we did it when we did Eagly, uh, was also the same day we stumbled into the Little Nightmares speakeasy they had.

RB: Yeah, talk about that, ’cause I, I didn’t have an opportunity.

DHB: Uh, it was more or less they, they took over a bar. I, I believe it was the same bar they’ve done…They did, like, Fangtasia in-

RB: Yeah.

DHB: …in the past for True Blood. It was this, like, random bar they…Which was weird for a game that’s kinda geared towards a younger audience. They were allowing anybody, uh, any age in there, but it was just a bar. They had a…Built it up, like, a theme with, uh, the haunted candy, candy shop that they have in the new game. Couple photo ops, couple themed drinks, and that was more…And there was a tr- uh, scavenger hunt you could do in there to, to get, like, a lanyard or something like that.

RB: Well, and that was another one where we didn’t get any real information that they were doing an activation.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: We had seen…They had…One of the buildings had a, a picture.

DHB: Yeah. And then there was a couple things on their Instagram saying, “Hey.” Like, they were trying to, like, lean into the speakeasy side of it. And then we walked by it randomly one morning. I think we were going to get breakfast on Saturday, and there’s a giant inflatable baby doll.

RB: Yeah, they were s- They were wheeling stuff in there. It was the workers that were starting to set it up. Again, after, you know…

DHB: On, on Saturday.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: In front of the convention. So not even, like, the first day or anything like that, but it…I guarantee that was, like, they wanted to just rent the place out ’cause it was kind of expensive in there. And then…So yeah, that was, that was that, and then we did the South Park thing which was about a 10-minute hike away from PeaceFest on top of everything. And that was just an…Like we’ve seen in the past. Bunch of photo ops and a merch booth. They, they, they bought out, uh, uh-Oh, Tweek’s Coffee was there, but I’m pretty sure they just hired one of the coffee shops in the area and re-skinned their, their place. And then I’m almost certain the area they had in general is one of those outdoor bars. ’Cause they had two bars that were open and they, they had themed drinks specifically for the event, but it looked like it was just the patio seating for this bar where they put up little standees so you could take pictures and they had little merch things so you could buy exclusive merch just from the con and, like, a giant screen that had nothing going on.

RB: So do you think it was, it was tied in, the South Park guys had a hand in that or do you think it was just kind of an afterthought that the-

DHB: I think-

RB: …the network?

DHB: I think there was more planned, but because of all…’cause they, they didn’t finalize any of their deals until, like, the day before Comic-Con. So I think they kiboshed a lot of things they had planned there.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: And even, like, some of the advertisement I’ve seen recently, they’re talking about, like, they had a couple people, like, people that did cosplay out there, they interviewed them and they’re gonna mix them into some big South Park week they’re doing next week or something like that.

RB: Well, and then of course, w- while we’re coming back, they released the first episode.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Which, if you haven’t watched it, holy shit, definitely recommend it.

DHB: But I’m pretty sure it was, uh, that and the, all the other legal stuff going on that they pulled back on it because a lot of the stuff was just recycled from the last two times they’ve done a photo op out there.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: So it, it was one of those, I don’t know why it was a ticketed event and why you had to schedule a time to go in.

RB: Especially so far away.

DHB: Yeah, ’cause it was, it was further away than it was when we did the Jurassic Park thing the year before and that was a hike.

RB: That was a hike. But you got, you got to take a look at it.

DHB: Yeah. There’s a…We did a full video walkthrough of that as well, so that’s up on the YouTube as well.

RB: Uh, what else?

DHB: There was a Doctor Who thing I, um, I got to go through, but that was…Apparently that was one of those things, there was two different versions of it. Like, during the day you’d go into a photo op and then it would…Kind of had it set up as a museum to where you could see all the props and stuff from seasons past.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: But then after, or it was either after hours or early, early in the morning, there was some other, like, escape room type thing that went with it.

RB: And then there was the Percy Jackson thing.

DHB: The Percy Jackson thing, yeah, which we-

RB: Which we hadn’t received any kind of information on.

DHB: Yeah. Didn’t get into any of that.

RB: And then there was a Fantastic Four looking-

DHB: So, um, that was from Google. They were promoting the Fantastic Four crossover for the, uh, Monopoly game in, in the Android stud- uh, studio.

RB: Did you see anything from Marvel Rivals other than what was on the vendor hall?

DHB: No, and when we went and did the thing for Painkiller in the video game area which ni- which is normally the Nintendo thing, which Nintendo wasn’t even out there, Marvel Rivals was set up in there and they were doing tournaments in there.

RB: Was that the huge bay of computers?

DHB: Yes.

RB: Oh, wow. Yeah, ’cause we walk in and literally, when I say a bay, it wasn’t just like five or six machines, it was a bunch of machines.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And then we went and did the se- the sit down for the, the reali-

DHB: Painkiller.

RB: Yeah, Painkiller…

DHB: Reimagining, re- remake type of thing.

RB: Yeah. And that was cool. I suck at video games, console games ’cause there’s like, “Here, you go first,” and I’m like, “Oh no, this is gonna be terrible.”

DHB: That was the point. (laughs)

RB: (laughs) Uh, but there’s a whole tarot card tie-in and it was awesome. I handed it to David and I had set him up for failure because I had al- already lost half my life and everything.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: But I really liked the aesthetics of the game, so…And the guys-

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …running it were cool, but really it was just kind of a sit down i- on a couch playthrough kind of.

DHB: Yeah, they’d play, play their, like, 10 minute demo and then move, move along kind of thing.

RB: Yeah, there wasn’t a whole lot of information for it.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Um…

DHB: Which, which is weird not only for that ’cause they booked up the area Nintendo would normally be, but at the same time also weird Nintendo wasn’t there ’cause you’d think they’d want to piggyback off the launch of the Switch 2.

RB: Well, and that goes back to the fact that there were very f- very little in the way of interviews.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Voice actors…Like, I know there were voice actors there, uh, because as I was moving through the vendor hall I saw one of the voice actors for Baldur’s Gate 3.

DHB: Mm-hmm.

RB: Uh, and we know, I know that what…I think the Critical Role people were there ’cause they had a panel. But yeah, not a whole lot of interview opportunities.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: So that’s why we, wh- when we’re talking about all of these activations…Yeah.

DHB: Oh, almost forgot about the one big activation I remember doing which I’m surprised didn’t hit your top…M- maybe it’s your top th- one of your top three, Clown in a Cornfield.

RB: All right, so Clown in the Cornfield, I actually…I sat down and watched that movie before we went to San Diego because I, I was so hyped not only for Clown in a Cornfield but also because of where it was being held ’cause it was the same area that they had done Interview with the Vampire.

DHB: Mm-hmm.

RB: And I have to admit, I was not as excited, uh, for what they had.

DHB: Okay.

RB: So we…So you, you walk in and they take you inside this building that they had literally set up as a, as a cornfield and it was, you know, it had creepy vibes.

DHB: I, I like the fact that it was actually set up like a maze, where it wasn’t like a, like a conga line walkthrough haunted house ’cause I remember w- I walked in, I was like, “Oh, it’s just gonna be conga.” And I watched as the person in front of us kind of looped back on the path and I was like, “Oh, it’s actually a maze.”

RB: And, and yeah, ’cause everybody kind of scattered down these paths and I was the one poor bastard that took the correct path.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: So I, I turn, I turn a left and I get to the end and I’m like…And there’s an actor there who’s like, “Where’s everybody else? Come on, we gotta find everybody.” And I’m like, “Oh no.” So I’ve seen some of the imagery, uh, the images that Jana and David took pictures of from the cornfield and I’m just like, “Man, I missed out because I took the right path.” (laughs)

DHB: Yeah, you, you chose poorly.

RB: Yeah, ’cause they, they usher us through the door into essentially what is like a shed, like a work shed with tools and stuff, and there were clowns in the windows.

DHB: Mm-hmm.

RB: And they were trying to break through and all of that.

DHB: Well, there, there was a couple that were in there because Jana got a really good one where one walked out with a chainsaw, like, right down this foggy alley and right towards her to, like, kind of usher her back to get to the group.

RB: It was…For those who got the full experience, I think it was, it was probably better for them than it was for me.

DHB: Mm-hmm.

RB: And then it…The, the last room was kind of escape room, you had to find the key to open the door to get out and then you get out and they had a couple of carnival games and you could get…You got some f- some free candy. They had shark gummies and they had peach ring gummies.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And they had the, uh, the strength test where you have to take the mallet and hit the thing and, uh, of course-

DHB: You nailed it the first time

RB: …the, the gun show.

DHB: Yeah. (laughs)

RB: Bing! I thought I was gonna break the damn thing.He- if you’ve ever split wood, it’s all about, you know, getting the right angle and, and taking, letting the, the mallet do the, the work.

DHB: Do the work.

RB: And then they gave us a bag as well as a-

DHB: There was some, like, popcorn in there that-

RB: …a shutter poster.

DHB: There was the slushy machine, that really wasn’t working all that well.

RB: Yeah, I had, I had a, uh, like, a coffee slushy that was mediocre.

DHB: I, I had a sip of the cherry one they gave me, because it all was just solid ice by the time it get, like it didn’t melt until later that night.

RB: Yeah, and I don’t know w- what your experience was. When I walked up with Jana to get our bags from the guy that was giving them out, he was like, “Here. Goodbye.” And she- (laughs)

DHB: Uh, is, is more or less the same, but I think we were also going there right near the end of the day, so he just might have been tired.

RB: Yeah, it was, it was so matter-of-fact, just like, “Here’s your shit. Get out.” (laughs)

DHB: Yeah, ’cause I think the only thing he, other than that, he said is, like, “Do you want a poster?” And I was like, “Yeah, sure,” and he, like, threw the poster into the bag, like, n- unceremoniously, I’m like, “Okay.”

RB: (laughs) Yeah. And the bag was actually pretty cool.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: I, there’s a gal on one of the Facebook groups that turns the Comic-Con bags into other bags.

DHB: Or, I’ve seen, is it the same one that does dresses?

RB: Sh- I think she does dresses and she does, like, traveler bags and that sort of thing.

DHB: Mm-hmm.

RB: And I’m like, “Man, this would be really cool to get turned into kind of a backpack.”

DHB: Oh, that would be kinda cool.

RB: And that’s kinda what I was thinking, s- so I’ve got it in the, in our s- our spare room. I would say, okay, out of the activations, that was probably third.

DHB: Okay.

RB: Just because it had ambiance and, and some pretty good g- giveaways.

DHB: Okay. ’Cause e- ’cause e- the only other one I can think of that we were skipping over was Barbie, wh- ni- neither of us went to.

RB: Yeah, we didn’t go, but the pictures that I saw of our crew dressed up in Barbie outfits was cute.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: They, it looked like they had a good time, and that’s really what it’s all about.

DHB: E- exactly. They, they got exactly what they paid for. They g- they had a good time, they had their photo ops, and…

RB: You know what was funny? I saw somebody post. So we went through the King of the Hill thing. They were giving away pens.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And I never saw those when we went through.

DHB: So, I know that’s part of the c- lack of communications thing, they didn’t have them the first day.

RB: Ah.

DHB: ’Cause it was the same thing at the Abbott Elementary, like, the first group of people didn’t get them ’cause they just didn’t have them unboxed yet.

RB: Which is really strange. You would think-

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …that that would be stuff that they would have there-

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …at the start of, of the convention.

DHB: Well, especially, especially since last year, we did the, we did the same Hulu thing, and we walked in there and they had the, um, little stress ball things.

RB: Mm-hmm.

DHB: They had the pins there, all that stuff right there, first day.

RB: So I don’t know if something just kinda, you know, missed, but there were a couple of instances where things didn- were not there on time.

DHB: We just blame the tariffs.

RB: Yeah, yeah. Tariffs, damn tariffs. I, I don’t wanna get political, but. (laughs)

DHB: Yeah.

RB: In terms of, we did a lot of running around from activation to activation.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And, like, you gotta remember, this is all through the Gaslamp District, so it’s not, like, right next to each other, like, we had-

DHB: That’s like w- walking next door, and there’s the next thing. I mean, in, in a couple of instances, it was like that.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: But most of the time, when we’re saying, you know, ’cause on, on top of that, having the schedule, there was one day where we had to go from King of the Hill all the way over to Twisted Metal, complete opposite ends of the Gaslamp area.

RB: Yeah, so when we talk about 18,000 steps, that’s why. We were literally walking miles, which means we didn’t have a whole lot of time to stand in line for anything from Ballroom 20. We did get to go into one panel.

DHB: Yeah, we did the, the Hall H panel for Toxic Avenger.

RB: And I tell you, you know what? If there was any panel to go to, I think that was it.

DHB: Oh, I believe so.

RB: The Hall H panel for Toxic Avenger, we got in as press, they gave us a foam hand.

DHB: Yeah, a foam Toxie hand, which is-

RB: So we, of course, we were punching each other in the ass with them, and we got to sit down, and they brought out the director for the new, the new movie, the original director, and a bunch of the cast members.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And it was awesome. We got to see a preview, some previews of the, the movie. They had the K-

DHB: Some sens- censored previews, though.

RB: Yep, they had the Kevin Bacon message.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: You know, show the fuck up, uh, because they’re actually getting to release it. So this movie was evidently shot during the pandemic, and they’re just now able to get it out in the theaters.

DHB: That took them three years to, uh, to get anybody to want to try to release it. And they were even trying so hard to get it in theaters, or even just streaming.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: I think Shudder, at one point, was like, “We might do it on streaming.” By August 29th, in theaters.

RB: And while they were talking and going through the, the questions just for the panelists, Peter Dinklage talked about the fact that he was really only there for the scenes where it’s him. He was not the person in the suit.

DHB: Yeah, I think he mentioned, at most, there was, like, maybe a couple shots where he had prosthetics, but any other time, the only time he was on set was when he’s not, n- n- in no makeup whatsoever.

RB: And so, after prefacing that and telling everyone that, then they went to the audience questions.

DHB: Yeah, the queu- the, the dreaded Q&A from the audience.

RB: And that was awesome. And the reason I say that, person after person after person, all of the questions were for Peter Dinklage.

DHB: Yes.

RB: And so a- I think it was after the third question, he was like, “Don’t, don’t say it.” Yeah.

DHB: Just looked, looked right at the person and was like, “Don’t you do it.”

RB: And then he, and then he started having fun. Like, he’s got a dry sense of humor. He’s like, “Have you not seen Lord of the Rings?” ’Cause he was literally sitting next to Elijah, who is Frodo.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: I’m like, “Frodo! You could have asked any questions in the world,” and the amount of prosthetics and things that they had Elijah in for his role in the movie?

DHB: Yeah, he looked like Gollum.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: Like, like it was a natural progression of character.

RB: Yeah. It, like, uh, uh, so there’s that, there’s that, that cut scene from the movies where Frodo has kind of a flash forward of what would’ve happened if he had retained the ring, and he starts looking like Gollum. It was literally that image-

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …kind of, uh, s- uh, scenario. But yeah, so he’s like, “Don’t, don’t say it.” And then the person asks him a question, and then the per- the next person-

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And s- so then he starts-

DHB: And they just kept going.

RB: He starts rattling off all of the movies that the actors and the director have done, and he’s like, “I was not in any of those.” (laughs) Like, like, please ask these people o- questions.

DHB: Well, and he would do, like, some weird deep cuts too, like Radio Flyer, and I’m like-

RB: Yeah. (laughs)

DHB: …“Who’s seen Radio Flyer?” Like, I have, but, like…

RB: Yeah. That, that’s, that’s one that I’ve seen.

DHB: Yeah. (laughs)

RB: But that’s so old. Right?

DHB: Yeah, exactly. That was when, like, Elijah Wood was, like, 10, but-

RB: But yeah, so he’s, he’s trying to get them to ask questions of the other panelists.

DHB: Especially ’cause two of them, like, one of them’s d- done a bunch of work, but they’re still kind of an up-and-comer, and then the other one’s, uh, was one of the younger actors who’s, I wanna say, is like their third or fourth movie.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: So he’s trying to help promote them, but none of the actual crowd wants to…It’s so weird.

RB: Well, and then they, they, they talked about how his character from Elf was a tyrant.

DHB: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

RB: And then there was somebody that walked up to ask a question in the Elf costume.

DHB: In the, yeah.

RB: It was great. And it, ’cause I think, I think Peter’s response was, “What’s it like being a tyrant?”

DHB: Yeah. (laughs)

RB: (laughs) It was, it was great. And so I feel, I feel bad for Peter Dinklage, only because there were, there were all these questions pointed at him, when he had an amazing cast beside him.

DHB: Yeah, exactly. And, and it was all the stupid general questions that I guarantee he’s already asked. Like, you’re, you’re a comic con, you, you get the chance to ask this. It’s not one the press has asked him. We’ve heard these answers so many times. Ask him something else.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: Or y- or ask anybody else the same, same thing.

RB: Yeah. Because, you know, you could have asked any of them, “Why did you, why did you agree to be in the Toxic Avenger reboot?”

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Like, if, “Did you know about it before you signed up?” Because it’s got a long history. There’s a long legacy, not only the movies, but also the cartoons-

DHB: Cartoons.

RB: …the comic books, everything.

DHB: Vide- video games, everything, yeah.

RB: Yeah. And, and we’ve talked about the video game because Psychostick, one of David’s favorite bands-

DHB: Yep.

RB: …is doing the music for it, which was funny when we talk about the parties, because we met somebody at one of the parties who is in marketing that knows, in a roundabout fashion-

DHB: Y- yeah.

RB: …Psychostick.

DHB: Psychostick, yes.

RB: So it was so, it was just a great tie in. But yeah, so the, the one panel that we got to do, and then they gave away a really cool Toxic Avenger poster.

DHB: They did, yes.

RB: Which I’m gonna, I’m gonna frame and put in my office.

DHB: I’m currently printing out my fancy frame for it now, so.

RB: Nice. Yeah, ’cause it’s a really cool psychedelic poster. And the movie’s coming out this month.

DHB: Yeah, August 29th.

RB: So I wanna-

DHB: See it in theaters.

RB: Yeah, I wanna see it, uh, my classes start on the 25th, so that, that following weekend, I think we should go out-

DHB: A nice, nice little treat.

RB: Yeah. But yeah, so that was the one panel that we really got in, we, we got into.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: And, and, and get-

DHB: Well, the on- the only other one I h- had, like, hard interest and didn’t get to go to in general, but Gwar was out there.

RB: Yep.

DHB: And I missed their, their signing and their, uh, panel. But that was for other, other reasons, of going, of running around outside.

RB: Well, and I had asked about the Twisted Metal panel. And unfortunately, the PR folks did not get-

DHB: Yep.

RB: …back to me.

DHB: Well, that, and I don’t believe it…From what I saw, it wasn’t really much of a panel. Like, the actors were there, but they were kind of just showing clips from the first se- episodes of the new season.

RB: Ah. Yeah.

DHB: So it wasn’t like a panel-panel.

RB: And then, um, the other, the only other, thinking about it, the Telemesque, which was the, tied into the Interview with the Vampire.

DHB: Mm-hmm.

RB: They had a panel. But I also saw some folks walking around the Gaslamp District. They were all kind of like Men in Black style. And I walked up, I’m like, “Oh, hey.” And they handed me a business card.

DHB: Oh, nice.

RB: And it, and it had a QR code, and it said, “We are always watching,” or something. So that was, that was kind of cool and creepy.

DHB: Sounds similar to like the, the year that Constantine the TV show was coming out, and they had people dressed up that way handing out his business card to people to get people hyped up.

RB: That’s awesome.

DHB: It was kind of cool.

RB: Did you get to see…I did, I, I, from a distance I saw, they had the Pennywise with the rickshaw kind of-

DHB: I, I saw some of the rickshaws, but it, there was also be- supposed to be some, like, ice cream thing out there for that as well.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: I didn’t see any of that.

RB: Yeah, the only ice cream thing…We saw the, the, the Thunderbolts, and then there was a Spider-Man.

DHB: Yeah, there was this weird Spider-Man one, and then Lilo & Stitch was doing one as well.

RB: That was pretty much a lot of our Comic-Con experience.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: Uh, it was an odd year. But I, you know, every year I think I say it was an odd year. ’Cause the year that we had the, the writer’s strike, everything went back to more of a comic book focus.

DHB: Yeah. Comic book, video game, like, uh, like, the, not the TV and movie side of it all.

RB: And, and so this year was, was definitely, for me, the year of activations. I know The Long Walk, uh, the Mark Hamill movie, had a panel. One of, one of my buddies got into that panel. I, I haven’t b- had a chance to ask him what his thoughts were on it. But yeah, just, it was just a bizarre experience.

DHB: Yeah, it was almost like the only reason to go into the vendor hall was if, to turn around and leave, or you’re like, “I have this one specific thing I want to get and it’s not an exclusive, but I just wanna buy it now instead of having to wait a couple weeks to have it shipped.”

RB: I, I found a Magic: The Gathering artist, and-

DHB: Mm-hmm.

RB: …I was able to get some tokens. I also dragged Thomas, one of the, one of our team, ’cause he’s a Magic player as well, and I, and I got him to spend money, so that was cool.

DHB: (laughs)

RB: But yeah, they were really cool tokens that were metal, and got him to sign those. And yeah, I, ’cause I like to go through the artists area. Yeah, just, and even some of the artists things, like, or the, the, the stuff in the vendor hall, was stuff that we had seen in previous years.

DHB: Yeah. It was like they just didn’t unload their, um, load from last year, and were like, “Oh, let’s try again.”

RB: Or tariffs.

DHB: Yeah, or tariffs.

RB: (laughs) But yeah, so that was our Comic-Con experience. Uh, stay tuned. We’re gonna have a, uh, few more articles come out talking about various things we saw. We’ve got the photo gallery with a lot of the imagery that we took. Uh-

DHB: There’s, uh, one, one of the people that was out there with us was a first time ever goer, so we were trying to get that, that, that write-up to, compared to, you know, the long years of tw- my 20 years to your five years-

RB: The, the jaded. (laughs)

DHB: …to the- yeah, to, to the brand new, “Holy shit, I only got to go for two days ’cause of how hard it is to get into Comic-Con.”

RB: But she seemed to have a really good t- uh, time, and it was great. Bria was our, was the gal that was with us. And somehow, she had mistaken you and I.

DHB: Yeah.

RB: So I became David and you became Ray. And, uh, when I had talked to her, you know, in fr- you know, with our group, I was like, “What are you into?” I wanted to know kind of what her interests were. And, because this, you know, this is one of those mecca experiences where whatever you’re into, you’re gonna find-

DHB: Yeah, we’ll find something no matter what.

RB: And she was, she wasn’t really sure what she liked. And then she started sending you messages-

DHB: Yeah.

RB: …about, “Well, I like Star Wars, and I like this,” and (laughs) it was cute, a cute response, but I’m like, “I’m, I’m the, the jerk that was asking you questions.” (laughs)

DHB: Yeah, exactly. Ray, Ray was the asshole. I was just like, “Okay, well, uh, yeah, they had this over here.”

RB: (laughs)

DHB: “I don’t know why you’re talking to me about this.” (laughs)

RB: But yeah, it’d be, it’ll be great to see if we can get her to write something up. And then a couple of articles about party experiences.

DHB: Yes.

RB: ’Cause like the fandom party was pretty cool with All American Rejects.

DHB: All American Rejects. Twisted was there. Guar was there.

RB: And the special guest on the stage.

DHB: Yes.

RB: Yeah, the Spider-Man.

DHB: Yeah, I’m so surprised…I got pictures and videos of that. So that’s going up there as well.

RB: Yeah.

DHB: Because that was unexpected.

RB: And the balloon art.

DHB: Yes.

RB: It was really cool. Never heard of that artist who had designed the giant balloon meccas. But yeah, so a, a write up on the parties will be coming as well. But yeah, uh, anything else you want to add, David?

DHB: Uh, I think that covers everything that we, at least that I can remember off the top of my head, because it was a whirlwind five, six days.

RB: Yeah, and then of course getting, you know, coming back and I think we really lucked out because I’ve seen a lot of people talking about how they got COVID-

DHB: Yes.

RB: …on, at, at the convention. And I didn’t have COVID.

DHB: I, I came home and tested right away to make sure because I came home feeling like crap as well. But no, it was just a weird sinus infection.

RB: Yeah, and, and I, I don’t know if it was a touch of like flu or what, but because, yeah. But ultimately we’re, we’re both on the mend. So Comic-Con 2025.

DHB: In the books.

RB: It’s in the books. Next thing, uh, coming up, I, I definitely next year I want to go to WonderCon.

DHB: WonderCon’s on the list. Uh, maybe, uh, Gen Con.

RB: Yeah, Gen Con. I have never been and as a wee lad I always dreamed about going to, to Gen Con, so…

DHB: We, we’ve also got the, uh, World Series of Board Gaming coming here in town in September, which I’m going to.

RB: Nice.

DHB: Um, and then Halloween’s coming up so we have all the, uh, haunted house stuff. Universal Horror Night as well as the Universal Horror Unleashed is gonna be opening up there.

RB: Yeah, you were able to get into that through a, a special connection.

DHB: Correct, yeah.

RB: So I think that our next podcast is gonna be talking about the Horror Unleashed.

DHB: Yes.

RB: I can’t wait to hear your, what, what you think of it.

DHB: Oh, definitely.

RB: Because we have been building up for so long how awesome we hope it’s gonna be.

DHB: Right.

RB: I am hoping at this point that it lives up to all of our hype and our, our interest.

DHB: Well, by the time everybody’s listened to this there’s probably gonna be some teasers and video, maybe, maybe a write-up, but we’ll get…We’ll, we’ll do the next podcast on that one because that’s a whole different experience.

RB: Well, thanks for tuning in. This is Ray.

DHB: This is David.

RB: And we’ll catch you next time.

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